Stephanie Chung
Board Member | C-Suite Executive | Keynote Speaker

Leading People Not Like You

Episode Summary
Today’s workplace is more diverse than ever, bringing together multiple generations and varied demographic backgrounds in unprecedented ways. For leaders, this presents both an opportunity and a challenge: how can you effectively lead people who come from experiences that differ completely from your own?

Stephanie Chung has the answer. As a groundbreaking aviation executive and the first African American president in private aviation, she understands firsthand what it takes to lead across differences. In her new international bestseller, “Ally Leadership: How to Lead People Who Are Not Like You,” Chung introduces a powerful framework using the acronym ALLY—a proven process for building inclusive leadership that drives results in our increasingly diverse world.

Whether you’re navigating generational gaps, cultural differences, or diverse life experiences within your team, this episode examines how authentic ally leadership can not only transform your management style but also enhance your organization’s overall success.

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Bio
Stephanie Chung is not just an author; she’s a force of strategic innovation, a beacon of change, and a titan in the world of business growth and human capital management.

  • Former Chief Growth Officer for Wheels Up
  • The first African American to lead a private jet company, JetSuite.
  • One of Adweek’s “Women Trailblazers”
  • Ebony’s Power 100
  • Robb Report’s “23 Black Visionaries Who are Changing the Luxury World.”
  • She has been celebrated in publications such as Forbes, Barrons, Worth, Essence, D CEO Magazine, and her insights have graced the pages of Inc. and Black Enterprise Magazine.

A captivating keynote speaker whose work has been translated into 60 different languages.

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hello everyone welcome to keep leading

live I’m Eddie Turner the leadership accelerator I work with emerging and

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coming uh to the session from now our world has changed and since

our world has changed leaders must change generational and demographic

workplace compositions around the world look different than they’ve ever looked

before this means there’s a high probability that if you are lead leading

you are leading someone who is not like you since you’re not leading someone

like you you might need to recalibrate your

thought process on leadership get new Solutions and new strategies where can you

look my guest today has written a book that gives the solution gives answers

that all leaders can benefit from her new International bestselling book is

entitled Ally Ali leadership rather leading

people not like you and this book is written by uh in fact that word Al is an

acronym and it’s written by Stephanie Chong Stephanie is not just an author

she’s a force of strategic Innovation she’s a beacon of change and a Titan in

the world of business growth and human Capital Management Stephanie is the former Chief

growth officer for wheels up she’s the first African-American to lead a private

jet company she is one of adweek’s women Trailblazers eony listed her on the

power 100 list Rob reports says she’s one of 23 black Visionaries who are

changing the luxury world she’s been celebrated in Publications such as

Forbes baren worth Essence dceo magazine

and her insights have appeared in the pages of Inc and Black Enterprise Magazine I am so excited to welcome my

friend Stephanie Chong Stephanie welcome to keep leading podcast thank you thank

you thank you Eddie it’s so good to be here and you know it’s always whenever you hear your own accolades it’s like

you’re at your own funeral right hearing your accolades thinking wow that’s interesting okay that’s so anyways thank

you for that wonderful introduction and I’m really excited to be here with

you oh no this ain’t no funeral we gonna give you your flowers now while you alive and get gate and celebrate

you you are big Hey listen talking about flowers and

celebrating and making sure we do it now you know when I met you six or so years ago it’s a long time

ago yeah it’s a day I will not forget and a moment that I will not forget is

this oh my goodness that’s right I remember we took that picture oh you oh

my God look at my hair it was crazy this is pretty special because all these incredible people in this photo

you look Sensational as always you are always sty the people in this photo are very special to us uh some really highlevel

Achievers and of course uh Father John uh one of the Hidden figures who we

didn’t see in the movie but who’s in the book uh his story was so compelling and we just met some great people that day

so I just wanted to share this this memory this this throwback for you and I what a great throwback oh my goodness

and we were in Colorado I think from what I remember right in the woods and out yeah it was those mountains behind

us although the s shy but yes you’re right we were in Colorado wonderful that was wonderful yes yes I remember I

remember the day we took that picture and just all the stuff that was going on what a great thank you that what a

blessing thank you for showing that that was a long time ago man yes thank it’s

my pleasure absolutely well tell me what I missed about you and your Sensational uh

background okay well you know what gosh I would I always start with at the beginning right because um you know you

read off my my accomplishments but where it all started is my dad was a master sergeant in the US Air Force and so I

grew up a military kid and I grew up listening to planes take off and land my entire life uh so the good thing about

that is I knew early on what I wanted to do right so I wanted to work in aviation that was my li lifelong dream as a

little girl and so really the very first job I had was parking planes and loading

luggage at the Boston Logan airport and uh loved that job if I could make you

know a decent amount of money I’d still be working there and uh and then from there I would go upstairs and check

people in at the ticket counter and so you know as they were boarding their flights Etc uh so I absolutely loved

that job I was young I was single I didn’t you know have any kids yet and everybody that I worked with was in that

same bucket so we would travel the world go on vacations because you could fly anywhere for free and uh just like it

was just such an amazing time but it also taught me so much it it taught me

about how to you know work in an operation of a big company and so on and so forth but it also because I got to

travel so much you know as an adult right I traveled a lot as a child just being a military kid but I got to learn

and meet about different people and how to communicate with different people and you know little did I know that that

would be the Catalyst that would then Propel my career and get me really sitting here talking to you about you

know a book that I wrote that was really a um Testament of all the things I had to learn in order to be able to lead at

a high level and especially lead people who were nothing like me so uh so that’s the only other thing I would say and

then of course I’m married to the same guy for gosh 35 years uh we have a

daughter who’s 33 yeah that is a blessing and so I always joke around and say Eddie I’m a black woman married to a

Japanese guy we have a Chinese last name and I grew up in an allh male industry

so so everything I’ve written in that book comes from true life experience and

uh and so I wouldn’t I wouldn’t have changed not one single second of any of that because it got me where I am today

so Sensational well tell us a little bit more about the reason you wrote the book

in addition to your beautiful background that you share with us and how you’re applying the the strategies from Ali

leadership how to lead people who are not like you yeah so you know it’s

interesting because when I the reason why I wrote the book originally I was asked by my speakers

Bureau like hey people are asking to Stephanie have a book they hire me to speak I come and then they want to know

does she have a book does you know she have anything else and so um when my speakers girl came to me I remember you

know I was a working executive we were you know really busy at the job and plus I still had the speaking going on plus

being a mom and a wife and I just remember thinking there is no way I’m going to write I do not have time to

write a book but then everything else settled down and and I really started to

observe where our country was headed and where I thought there was some challenges that I could add some value

um just because of my my work experience and my life experience quite frankly and so that’s what really started to prompt

me to to think about it pray about it and figure out if I was to write a book what do I care enough about to really

invest the time energy effort and resources that were going to be needed and at the end of the day Eddie what it

came down to is I have a heart just like you do for leaders we know that leadership is a tough job and so you

know the way that I wanted to give back was to just use my experience The Good the Bad and the Ugly as to what can I do

to contribute to really help leaders in this day and age of what’s struggling so when you think of the landscape at work

right now in you know and and and this is throughout the globe but I’ll Focus primarily on the United States we’ve got

five soon to be six Generations working that is unheard of that means the

employee age is anywhere from 16 to 75 and so you and I both know that the way

that a Zoomer thinks is very different than a way that a boomer thinks and Millennials think differently than Gen X

and just all that so all the different intergeneration that are working can be very very challenging because they have

different expectations perspectives wants needs desires work ethics everything so that I saw was um you know

issue number one right uh you know issue number two not really I shouldn’t say issue in a negative way but just here’s

the scenarios that leaders are dealing with the other part of it is here in the United States women are the majority of

the the country’s population we actually work differently lead differently

communicate differently so that adds a different Dynamic to the workplace as well then you couple in all the ethnic

de demographics that are changing right so the ethnic groups the black the Asian the Hispanic groups are all growing the

non-ethnic group continues to shrink that that changes the dynamic in the workplace and then that’s not even you

know you’d have to add in different abled body folks or our colleagues from the lgbtq plus Community or people who

have different neurod diversities and so the list goes on and on that’s the climate that is today’s modern Workforce

and so my heart was really to work with leaders and give them a tool if you will

to say listen you no matter who you are no matter what race Creed gender doesn’t matter who you are if you’re a leader

just like you said in the opening you will be leading people who are not like you and so I created the book to give

you tools and shortcuts of things that I did to be successful um and in hopes

that it would allow uh leaders to be able to be successful in their Journey as well because at the end of the day I

come from a primarily white male dominated space so I was the lonely only

for for many many many years and you know there’s a lot of lessons come out of that and yet I was still able to hit

the highest level an officer of a publicly held company you know but it didn’t come without a lot of lessons

learned and so that’s really what the book is all about there is no shame no beating people up none of that stuff

this book um is really all about how do you lead people who are not like you and I give you some really helpful hints on

how to do that wonderful well I’m looking forward to learning a little bit about that and

we have Esra Miller who has joined us who I recently met a couple of weeks ago

she’s tuning in all the way from Istanbul if my memory show correctly wonderful so thank you Ezra she says

this is a great topic we appreciate you joining us and letting us know you’re here and weighing in on the

conversation now this word Ally I read that it stands for a it’s an acronym so

why don’t you to tell us a little bit about that what Ali leadership is absolutely so it is you’re right it’s an

acronym and it stands for ask listen learn and then you take action so that’s

what Ally is and the reason why that’s important is I didn’t I didn’t I could have labeled the book allyship how to

leave people who are not like you but that’s that’s not what I was going for Ally acronym you have to ask listen

learn and then you take action as a leader so Ally leadership is the is the

reason why I named it that way and the you know the probably the most important part of that whole thing Eddie is the

reason why that was so uh prevalent for me is you know you know I I speak I mean

I speak for a living right so I go and speak to uh big companies usually Fortune 100 is is usually my audience

and whenever I’m out speaking and I primarily speak to leaders inevitably

someone will come up to me and say oh man like this is great I’m an ally especially men will say I’m an ally I’m

married I’ve got three daughters like I’m an ally and then my comeback is always the same thing Eddie I will

always say that’s fantastic I’m so glad to hear that tell me what it is that you’ve done this week to show your

allyship and then I get crickets question yeah exactly so then you know

there’s there’s then people don’t have any they don’t have any receipts to back up their claim and so one of the things

that I really try to communicate in the book is you can’t just call yourself an ally this isn’t a participation trophy

right it’s not like oh I’m an ally well no no no you’re only an ally not if you

call yourself an ally but if somebody else calls you an ally right you can’t say I can’t say oh I’m a nice person

like I can’t say that you can say I’m a nice person but I can’t say it and the same is true for allies allies have to

realize that you know people who see you as an ally they can say you’re an ally but that’s not something you can say

yourself and so I really wanted to kind of you know Mark my territory if you will with that particular statement

because it’s really time as leaders that we level up and the only way that anyone

will classify you as an ally is if they see you take action that’s the only way it’s GNA happen so you can’t you know

just poof I’m an ally that doesn’t work that way when you see something do you say something do you know what to say do

you know how to say it you know um all of these things is what makes you an ally it’s not just because you chose to

say I’m an ally it’s a very cool talking point but you know we’re all in a society where people’s BS monitors are

like off the chain right so nobody wants to hear you say something and not be able to back it up with cold hard facts

don’t even get me going on this subject Eddie tell us how you really feel s exactly exactly so that’s about you know

yeah so you’re you’re basically saying hey don’t um don’t self anoint yourself as an ally yes let someone else call you

an ally absolutely you’re only going to call you one if you’re acting like one yes exactly that’s exactly right because

you know I talk about this a lot in the book there are times and we’ve all been in this situation right so this isn’t

just a black and white issue or male and female issue or gay or straight issue everybody’s been in this situation where

something happens and you don’t feel comfortable with maybe the comment that was said or the joke that was told or

what have you and so what true allies do is they actually address it right then

and there but what tends to happen is people will go well I I don’t want to be a part of this conversation so they’ll

get up and they’ll leave well the truth is nobody get you don’t get any Street credit for that for getting up and

leaving right because you didn’t actually take any action yes you leaving was an act but maybe not the act of

Courage that we’re looking for right but what you have to do when you’re leading is you know this is a courageous job you

got to lean in right leadership is not for the faint at heart and so when you have those situations you must do

something you have to take action you got to ask you got to listen you got to learn and then you got to take action and so whether that’s you as a man

leading a woman or a woman leading a man or leading somebody from a different generation different race different

sexual orientation whatever we’ve all got plenty of opportunity to be able to use our voice for good and therefore you

know start to earn that right of being called an ally and I like the way you mentioned

that we earn we earn it this this right to be an ally and may I go one step

further Eddie to tell you that earn earn is actually an acronym as well so you

know earn stands for As Leaders we have to first establish an environment where everybody feels seen appreciated and

psychologically safe that’s the E then we have to assure alignment so as Leaders we need to make sure that the

left hand knows what the right hand’s doing what business are we in why are we here how does what I do if I’m an

employee impact what we do as a business so as a leader we have to make sure that the environment we’ve established

everybody is assured of what the we’re all in alignment as to why we’re here the r stands for As Leaders we have to

rally the troops right you get a bunch of people who know why they’re here who have a you know psychologically safe

environment and you rally them to one cause Eddie they are unstoppable Unstoppable right so you’ve

got to know how to rally the troops and then in you know I come from n Aviation right so you have to navigate the

Narrows and basically what that means is you got to know where you’re going why you’re going how you’re going to get there when you’re supposed to be there

you have to be able to track and measure and monitor all of that stuff as well and so I go a lot more into detail in

the book but that’s how you earn the ability to be called an

ally excellent thank you for letting us know it requires work if you earn it and giving us acronyms to show us the steps

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today now Stephanie I want to just jump back and pull on that thread a little bit more as you define that for us uh I

think that’s fascinating about what Al leadership is but now that we know what it is and how it’s

earned um is that also basically the answer as to how we become that Ally leader or is more involved yeah so

there’s there’s more involved right because there’s all the different steps that you have to do but we talk about that in books in the book and I actually

usually lay out a story as well to drive home the point and so and then I do you

know honestly too Eddie I I go and hit those topics that a lot of us as Leaders you know leading leading is is tough and

trying to think about what your average leader has to think about today right so the average leader today and I’m talking

about if you’re leading in Marketplace not necessarily if you’re leading in you know Ministry or or

nonprofit or what have you though they have the same challenges but those of us leading in Corporate America we have to

be focused on customer retention um you know customer uh growth right employee

retention how do we attract you know top talent and then we also have to be concerned about all the stuff that’s

going on globally Global Supply Chain issues what wars are happening how is that going to impact my business my

product is there a demand for my product is not a demand for the product what’s the stock market doing you know there’s

all kind of things we have to think about and now on top of jug yeah we’re juggling right and then on top of it

you’ve got to figure out okay now I have all these people that are nothing like me I I I you can’t even necessarily

relate to them because we have such different experiences so that’s a lot and I want leaders especially those that

are listening right now we know that’s a lot and so how do you manage all of that

because your average leader wants to be a fantastic leader they want to be the ones that people are in their industry

talking about oh man I want to work for Eddie like Eddie zck you you work for Eddie that’s amazing because I hear he’s

awesome he grows people he’s challenging you all the time like we all want to be that leader that everybody’s knocking

down doors to work for but when the reality is that there’s so much going on you can barely keep your head above

water you’re probably not growing your people developing your people doing one-on-one coaching sessions thanking

them for the you know you’re not doing all the basics right because you’re just trying to keep your head a flat and make

sure the board’s happy the stock cers are happy the you know your boss is happy so it’s just a lot so the way that

I structured the book is really just to break it down in its simplest way and that’s why I spend so much time in

Stories the stories will actually help people see how either I uh got it incredibly wrong right or how I knocked

it out the park um and in hopes that you know they can find a story that relates to them the goal isn’t that you have to

change who you are and that’s really the because I think people start getting overwhelmed with oh my God you know now

how am I gonna lead this person I know nothing about their history nobody’s expecting you to know anything about their history or uh you know whatever

their life’s traumas could be it doesn’t do anybody any good to beat people up

because they really don’t know right like nobody wins in that scenario but what you can do is you certainly can ask

the questions listen learn and then now that you know more information there’s

different opportunities for you to be able to take action and so that’s the biggest thing I want people to know is

you know we’re not looking for I I’m not here to let let’s just let me go there right on this particular subject not

here to beat up the white guy right I like a lot of the conversation has not been it’s I wanted the conversation to

go deeper and wider and so far a lot of the conversation has been you know for white men because they still control

about 87% of the leadership positions in Corporate America so a lot of the conversation has been okay let’s help

white men know how to lead people of color and women yeah okay that’s helpful right and so that’s part of the book but

it’s it’s we’re we’re way past that at this point right because there’s more women that are leading there’s if if

you’re a person of color and now of a sudden you’re leading somebody that doesn’t look like you how does that work right so it’s not just a one you know

way that we figured out with male allies that’s why name the book that it’s like no every leader has to figure this out

and so you’ve got to know how to lead I always say you got to know how to lead All God’s Children every race every create every gender that’s if you want

to remain relevant in the 21st century that is the requirement for leaders these days so yes the book tells you

different ways on how to do that but we kind of engulf it with stories so that it’s uh digestible and bite-sized fun

pieces that’s excellent and it’s so important as you mentioned because the traditional way of leading because you

have these five different Generations in the workforce that didn’t exist before and the societal Norms the societal mors

a lot of things have changed yeah you can’t use that same model that we learned in yester year so I love the

fact that you’ve produced this manual that can run uh give folks something to run through and and to to to think about

this differently and this a set of stories that I’m sure we we’ll find ourselves in one of those uh scenarios

in some way shape or form exactly exactly you know it um it’s interesting too because some of the stories may be

you know some stories I don’t even tell the answer because I want people to see how I actually ask the question how

would you have handled it right so people can really think through it um because again it’s really about putting

yourself in someone else’s shoes and trying to see the world from their perspective for a second and most of us

don’t do that because we’re so busy running around right so it’s like but no this is how we start to make the change

that we actually all desperately want to see what we’ve it lead we start we got to like start the food chain right

indeed we really do yeah yeah now you make a great Point Stephanie in in the fact that hey the only reason that the

initial Target was we were addressing white men was not to pick on anybody but it’s just that hey that’s where the center of power has been right I think

the stat uses 87% of the positions in higher authority is still controlled uh by that

demographic now you as you as you mentioned you’re a black woman you you

come from a different background uh in terms who you work around and then you marriage and such anytime you’re the

first in anything but especially as a black person yeah you you’ve gone

through something it wasn’t easy it wasn’t handed to you there’s been some some pain some scars along the way so I

applaud you of being the first black woman to lead a or Aviation company thank you thank you what um what what

comes with that it’s off the Bittersweet hey I’m the first but boy boy let me tell you so you may not be telling us

some of the things that came with it but what’s just one of the lessons you’ve learned that you were able to pass on to other leaders well you know it’s it’s

it’s such a great question and yes and I think this is true for anybody who’s ever been in first uh yourself included

there’s always the stories that we usually don’t tell right because you

know you tell the you tell the stories but you don’t tell the stories that are going to uh you know really make people

go like oh my God I didn’t realize it and plus usually you don’t have that kind of time there’s so many stories that will shock people so you just kind

of narrow it down to a few what I will tell you is this when I um you know I

grew up around planes because I was a military kid right my dad was in the Air Force and so uh when you’re in the

military at least it was my experience that in the military what uh all the

kids that GRE that I grew up around I moved every two years of my life we all had the same lifestyle and so I didn’t

know anything different and neither did anybody that I was around right because we all all moved around all the time and

in the military it was a lot more about are you a civilian or are you in the military and less about are you black

white asian Hispanic right because so many of us were so many different races and so that kind of had an impact on how

I saw the world if you will now fast forward get into the workplace and especially the private Aviation side of

the house because that is you know the people who tend to are um tend to fly privately or work in the industry

because it’s you know getting your pilot license and all that stuff is an expensive hobby so historically it was

always you know primarily men and specifically white men and a lot of times men who had a background in uh the

military and so it was a very specific type of demographic what I would tell you is the probably some of the biggest

lessons that I learned is when I I remember I had to take over my very first sales team and my CEO had asked me

to come over and take over the team and originally I said no because I had I was already over seeing a sales team and I loved that team and it took me five

years to get the team where I needed it to be and so the team and I were like just vibing everything we were killing

it on the numbers the team had a great uh Team culture they worked really well as a team and so then I was asked to

like leave that and come to this other division where none of that was were going on and so I remember you know for

four months going no no I’m I’m good like thank you I I was gonna say R am and my CEO wasn’t wasn’t having it he’s

like stuff I need you to come over here and fix this team like you did the other team team and you know stop let’s stop talking about it you just need to be

here in the next 30 days and so I actually T talk about that in in the book because I open with that story that

all of a sudden here’s a black woman who I’ve you know come through the ranks right but certainly I was not a pilot

which is how most people came through the Rings I didn’t know I wasn’t maintenance I didn’t know how to fix a plane I don’t know how to fix a plane or

fly a plane okay that’s usually how people who are in leading in the private jet sector they come from one of those

two so I remember when I moved down uh and took over this team and I’m looking

at this all male team and they all had the same background not only were they the same race same gender they all have

the same military background and uh and here I’m looking at them thinking wow

like you know we we could not be further from each other and they’re looking at me like where’ she come from right like

who’s this lady and so you know and this team had never ever hit their number which is why I was brought in to get

this you know get this whole house in order if you will but after the first year the team hit their number for the

first time they never hit their number in 14 years and the reason why I give that story is because that’s how I

learned ask listen learn and then you take action so it wasn’t that the team was no good these people were highly

trained very effective um especially in the background that they had which were all military type of uh backgrounds they

just didn’t work together as a team and they and so that’s where that’s where

you know the Ally had to come into play I had to understand them and their background and they had to understand me

and what was I expecting as well and then together you know I earned the right to be able to call be called their

Ally but what I would say you know the lessons that I learned in that process was not to judge a book by its cover

just because I had no background zero similar similarities with them didn’t

mean that I couldn’t lead them so that was the first thing I had to get out of my own head if you will I knew how to

lead an effective team though these people were nothing like me and I’m sure they felt like I was

nothing like them so that was one of the lessons I had to learn I also had to deal with customers who would look at me

I remember I remember this one specific time we had an event the event was at Pebble Beach and so uh you know so I’m

I’m the lead person at the event we’re hosting all high net worth customers and

this gentleman uh my sales director introduces me to this client the client says to me he’s looking at me up and

down and he goes wow so so you’re in church and you could tell the look on

his face you know said it all right like yes yes and he kept saying so wait like

so wow like he literally was like this went off like two minutes wow like you

so you’re in charge huh and then he said you must be really really really good if

you’re in charge isn’t that something isn’t that something now in his world he’s thinking he’s paying me a

compliment there’s no compl that right and so that’s just one of many stories

that I could because we understand everything that wasn’t said that’s right exactly because his body language is screaming it right and so you still have

to you know keep his dignity intact you still have to you know deal with all that and so I remember uh I remember

when he said that I you know put my hand forward shook his hand and I said yes

I’m Stephanie Chun I am in charge and yes I am really really really good you

know I mean like I gotta address it I he the of snaps right there there you go exactly and then you know what happened

at that point he looked at me and he like put a grin on his face and he goes what’s a damn good pleasure to meet you

Stephanie Chong right you know every day there was something that I was like all right how am I gonna handle this you

know and and and and because you know what you want to say right that’s reality you can’t and and at you know

and let’s just say I always believe that a lot of times that kind of that kind of um uh uh we’ll call it ignorance because I

can’t come up with another word he wasn’t trying to be rude right and he wasn’t trying to be mean but that was

his reality he had never seen anybody like me before in that level of a

position in that type of Industry now the truth was there was no one at that time like me before in that industry at

that level and so I was his first to see but that happened so often all the time

and yet you know you you have decisions to make as the leader as the person in my case person of color woman Etc how am

I going to handle this and still keep be true to my brand right and that’s really

a lot of times we forget about that you know there’s the brand that you work for and then there’s the brand of your own

brand and how do I want my brand to carry itself and so that’s usually my

driving force of how I will respond or not respond when I get those types of um looks or questions

awesome I appreciate you sharing that we had a listener tuned in and comment earlier from LinkedIn and now we have uh

CJ Advocates from Facebook she says this thank

you she want on just to add that this is a great conversation I am getting some

good nuggets nice and she did ask one question that I’d like to go and tee over to you okay

really is responsible for team culture the CEO or the supervisor fantastic

question it’s fantastic question so in my opinion it’s the CEO the CEO has to

set the vision for what this culture is going to be now it gets executed downline right so supervisors VPS you

know Etc just like anything else you know if you think about business overall it’s the CEO’s Vision that everybody’s

trying to bring to life right the CEO should always be focused on the future the that their his or her direct reports

now have to make sure that they have the plan the structure the process to make that Vision be able to be executable and

then below that now is the managers the directors the senior directors they’re the ones dealing with the you know okay

now we understand where we’re trying to go what are the people the process that we need to do in order to make the

vision of the CEO uh stuff come to life and then you’ve got the the worker bees right and the worker bees are dealing

with the realities of what’s happening the process the people every single day day by day minute by minute so each

level has a role But to answer CJ’s question it literally all has to start

at the Top If it doesn’t start at the top it will not happen you can’t have one division has a certain culture one

team has a different culture you can’t have all that right because then then you’re not all walking in accordance uh

to what it is that you’re trying to get accomplish as a company that’s why when I talked about you have to assure alignment that’s one of those examples

of assuring alignment everybody has to know what the right hand’s do and why are we here what does the business exist

for what’s the purpose behind the business and how is it that what I do impacts what we do as a company all that

has to be literally directed from the CEO of what they will and will not

tolerate in regards to setting the culture that everybody feels seen appreciated psychologically safe and

therefore can do their best work so beautiful well thank you for that answer

uh she’s letting us know her name so I guess the first name is the business so her name is sha Johnson I know sha she’s a a lobbies I believe in DC she says yes

yes thank you she waited again and she said absolutely

100% then she says what should be music to your ear she wants the book and wants to listen to more of this conversation

oh wonderful and she has one last request does she do Executive coaching

oh you know what what a blessing so first of all it’s funny I used to do Executive coaching and Eddie when you

and I first met you know that was a big part of my business now I’m on the road so much that I can’t be effective

one-on-one coach and so I no longer do Executive coaching any longer but CJ thank you so much and what I would do is

tell CJ you know by all means feel free to follow me or or sign up because I am gonna start doing some things like more

Mastermind Focus uh that will be in the future but at least if she’s on you know on our our radar then she’ll be the

first to be uh notified when that when that program actually comes into fruition we’re actually creating it and talking through it and working on it

right now so I don’t do one-on-one coaching anymore but uh I am trying to be able to do uh more masterminds for

small groups not big massive stuff just smaller groups that they we can fit that into the schedule so her time is

actually really perfect she says awesome thank thank you yes masterm are awesome

and those are a great way especially for busy Executives like yourself to be able to give yourself to a group of people at the same time rather than

oneon-one time slides right right I could talk to you for hours thank you so

much for what you shared what’s the biggest lesson that you like Stephanie to make sure everybody walks away from

this conversation with that’s a good question there’s probably two right so um one of the things that I heard and I

and I actually heard this I many but probably like I don’t know 15 years ago maybe 20 years ago from uh Carla Harris

she’s the originator of this quote but I quote it all the time because I still think it’s effective now that any major

decision that’s going to be made about your career you will not be in the room and I think that’s always important for

every leader to always remember that when people are you know I come from the SE Suite right so when we’re talking about who should we give this next

project to or who should we give you know the international um assignment to and so on and so forth all of those

discussions you won’t be in the room if your name’s being discussed and so what that means then is that your brand I

made it reference to you know your personal brand your personal brand has to represent you and be able to be the

Forerunner because many times you won’t be in the room and so we as professionals don’t usually think about

our personal brand we tend to think about the brand that we work for so I would say for every all of the listeners

is to always be mindful of what do you want your personal brand to rep represent when people are talking about

it or thinking about it what is what is it right and that’s what you’re doing every single day to make sure that what

you’re doing lines up to your personal brand which should line up to your personal values and your purpose and why

you’re here and so that would be the first set of advice I would say second set of advice I would say is this when

As Leaders to be relevant and I said this earlier and to be effective you were going to have to realize that just

because someone’s not like you doesn’t mean that you can just stick your hand in this head in the sand and hope that

they go away right that’s not happening nobody’s going away right can’t ignore this you know these these those days are

dead and so if you want to be that leader that really does hit your Highest

Potential then you’re going to have to really buckle down and figure out how do

you lead people who are not like you it’s not a nice to do or maybe I tried if I have time you’ll never have time

now is the time and so as the world is changing so rapidly this is the new

level of leadership period and you have to get on board and so and there’s no

ANS ifs or doubts about it and so there’s a whole move movement happening you know one of the things uh if I could

just say this Eddie when I wrote the book I I had a lot of beta readers uh read the book and I had a lot of

different types of people read the book and one of the things I was pleasantly surprised to see that a lot of the white

male Executives that read the book um that they they don’t even know each other so they would come back to me with

all the answers to the questions that I gave them and but they all had the same message they said Steph you’re really on

to something with this book whatever you do don’t make it a one-off book make it a movement

because this is what’s needed for today’s leaders now this is coming from

white men right and so I remember when I said you know when you read the book how did you feel they said I felt like you

made me think there are times I felt a little uncomfortable and I said did you ever feel mad right because I didn’t

want that wasn’t the goal behind they said no never felt mad and if there were times that I feel like then you would

swipe in and talk about your vulnerabilities or where you missed the Mark or you know the lessons that you

learned and so I use that as an example because the book is for everybody right

I don’t ignore the elephant in the room that yes white men control most of the um leadership positions now but the

conversation has to go deeper and wider than that and so this is really for

every leader and so the one message I really want for leaders to grab hold of is if you want to hit your Highest

Potential whatever that is for you you’re going to have to deal with this issue and whether it’s a different

generation different gender different sexual orientation different religion you know whatever different different

different that’s we’re in a global world and a global economy and so you’re gonna have to get a lot more educated about

how do you do this and do this effectively if you want to be able to have the honor of leading a lot of

people so that’s the message I would leave with everybody what a powerful

message and I’m so happy to have had you again my friend thank you so much for being a guest and I want to make sure

that people know to go out get a copy of this book where books are sold and to learn more about you that they should

make it over to Stephanie ch.com uh find out more about the work she’s doing book

her as a speaker uh for your next big event thank you so much Stephanie of

course this was so fun thank you so much Eddie it was nice seeing you again it was my

honor and thank you for listening that concludes this episode of the keep leading podcast everyone I’m Eddie turn

the leadership accelerator reminding you that leadership is not about our title

or our position leadership that Stephanie brought out so well for us today is action it’s an activity it’s

not a garment that we put on and take off we must be a leader at our core and

allow it to emanate in all that we do so whatever you’re doing always

keep leading