Keep Leading!® Podcast 091 | Leading on Your Feet | Dr. Robert J. Moore III

All right, everyone. Welcome to another episode of Keep Leading LIVE™. Keep Leading LIVE™, like the Keep Leading!® Podcast, is dedicated to leadership development and insights. I’m your host Eddie turner, The Leadership Excelerator®. I work with leaders to accelerate performance and drive impact through the power of executive and leadership coaching, facilitation, and professional speaking.My expert today is someone who is near and dear to my heart. I’m going to be talking to Dr. Robert Moore. Dr. Moore is one of the best foot and ankle doctors and surgeons in Texas. He’s a thought leader in the field, who is on the cutting edge of the ever-changing healthcare sector and he sits on several hospital committees. He’s a healthcare educator who teaches surgical techniques in one of our Houston residency programs and he is the author of the Body Of Knowledge: The Complete Weight Management System for a Lifetime of Health. Something else I’ll tell you about Dr. Moore, he’s my personal podiatrist. He is the man that keeps me going.

Dr. Moore, welcome to Keep Leading LIVE™.

Thank you, Eddie. Really appreciate the opportunity. It’s amazing what happens, you enter into your 50s and everything goes from time, rushing to appreciation. This is Telemedicine Tuesday and I appreciate you switching your show for me. So, thank you very much for that here in my home office. Again, this is an honor. I appreciate you having me on the show.

Oh, sir, the honor is all mine. I appreciate you being here. When I got the call from your team that “Hey, Dr. Moore says he’s got an opening for you and it’s not for your foot this time. It’s to be on your show,” I’m like “I will take it.”So, we talk about leading on our feet, thinking on our feet as leaders all the time. And something I’ve discovered Dr. Moore is you can’t lead on your feet which is the title of today’s episode – Leading on Your Feet – you can’t lead on your feet when your feet hurt. In my situation, when I am hurting, I am humbled, I am absolutely humbled to my knees and you bail me out every time. So, can you just tell us a little bit more about your background, what I missed and why foot health is so important?

It’s interesting where you start in your life and where you end up. That’s why I put a brief bio on the site that mainly an engineer, Math background, building models as a kid, kind of geekish where there’s no iPads, so what are you going to do. I mean, you build models and you go out and play sports. With that background, my mother being a nurse, all that mixed together took me from that Math and Engineering arena into the biological sciences. I transferred to Berkeley and finished off the Physiology degree but there was something about the small intricacies of the feet and what’s funny is, to dip into your other question, I talked to my hand surgeon friends I’d tell them how easy their profession is because even though it’s the same amount of bones and the same amount of delicate surgery, nobody’s walking on their hands. So, yes, my joke to my patients, and you know this well, when your feet are hurting, they’re pretty desperate and that’s why I have a job. It’s my pleasure to get you guys back on your feet, back doing what you do best and how can you do it if you’re not comfortable and confident, you can’t lead.

Absolutely. Now, some people may wonder why are we talking about feet and talking to a podiatrist, a doctor of Podiatry, on the Keep Leading!® Podcast and that’s because you are different than many physicians. I unfortunately had to spend a lot of time in physicians’ offices and such because of different family members and caring for people in different parts of my life and you just have an incredible bedside manner. You take the time to fix the patient and the problem and you educate your patients. And so, I just felt like “Wow! I wish there were more physicians like Dr. Moore.” So, I wanted to interview you from that perspective because you’ve got something little extra that allows you to show up as a leader as a physician. And so, that’s why I wanted to talk to you about your view of leadership.

Interestingly, I was, I wouldn’t say pushed into a leading and teaching position, but when I came back to Texas, even though I’m from northern California, this is where the residency program was, it was an easy fit to start teaching the residents. And early on, you’re focused on the technique, you’re focused in on making sure they get the right walking and tapping in regards to the team effort on the back table. And then your teaching starts to shift. I say now in my 25th year, it’s about leadership. It really is. And I’m not trying to say this because of your show but teaching is a leadership position where you must transfer that information to your student the best way possible. I believe, watching the teacher teach is interesting because I know leadership is also about how you perform, how you hold yourself, what message you get across besides the fact that there’s little idiosyncratic things I go through with surgery, which is trying to teach them what to do when things go wrong. So, with all that bundled up, it’s been interesting that teaching is probably transferred into the waiting room, seeing the patient and thinking myself “If I don’t create a patient experience where they see what they have, find out how they can fix it, home remedies, what they do have, right down to the pictures that I draw from my surgeries, then I’m doing them a disfavor because there’s Google, there’s other doctors. They’re going to want to know why I’m doing it and why they’re having a procedure so they feel better and they feel more relaxed.”

I love how you said you transfer the teaching that you do as a professor into the waiting room. That’s brilliant. I love that and I’ve experienced that. I didn’t know that that was your thought process but I like that and I’ve experienced it, so I know how valuable that is. In fact, you’ve kind of like written on my ankle a couple of times as if I were a cadaver about what you were going to do as you go in there.

If your wife’s not up to speed and you don’t take that map home, I’m in trouble.

Yes, yes, absolutely. And I love how you said that you create a patient experience. That says a lot. Now, you don’t know this about me but part of the work that I do is all around something called The Experience Economy from Joe Pine and Jim Gilmore. And so, in very specific areas of my work, that’s been my whole thing patterned after their book, creating an experience. Again, that was your philosophy on that. I’m learning a lot in this conversation but you do that.

Right down to the nurses when you enter, for an office person, the patient wants to be taken care of. I also tell my students even though I think I’ll laugh a few times in the office with you saying I’m in the patient happiness business, that’s the kind of fun side of it but the truth of the matter is creating that experience makes the patient feel confident. And not to go too far off the rails because I’ve seen one or two of your podcasts which are fantastic and your guests, I love to see that these progressive guests aren’t talking about being brave and coming forth because I’m a big transparency person too. I think that this whole country, leadership in general, is going to get to the point where if you have full transparency, then it’s easier to lead and it’s easier for people to come forward. Where I’m going with that is when they have a safety environment, I think safety is huge for patients, it’s huge for anyone and they feel safe in the environment and then you explain it and then you’re like “Listen, from here forward, we’re also going to take care of your insurance needs.” That, to me, is being a good physician in general because the patient is not just a structural problem. They’re more intricate.

My wife might say I have a structural problem but that’s another story. And you do have a first-class staff.

You’re easy. I’m not touching that.

You have a great staff and absolutely, you all do a wonderful job of making a patient feel welcome and feel at home. So, I go to you because I have this generational thing that’s kind of followed me, my grandfather had it, my father had it, gout and that gout flares up and then I’m just in trouble but what other kinds of feet issues do you help people with in your practice so they can continue to lead on their feet?

I think the easiest thing, and when I tell people, I just happen to have a prop here from my telemedicine but …

Oh, you got a prop.

There are 26 bones in this foot. When you really look at what it is, the arch flattens, the arch comes up and the foot inverts, everts, goes up and down but it’s basically a locking and unlocking mechanism because we’re really bipedal. So, for bipedal, and we have to lock and unlock, well, you want to keep that structure. So, everything from shoe gear to the way you stand, stretching, exercising, that’s all very important to keep good foot health but so is the arch support itself. Your normal plantar fasciitis, heel pain, big toe joint jamming which is part of what you have plus the gout problem, all these pressure points, you don’t have to go to med school, I tell people that the ball of the foot and the heel take all the pressure and then you’ve got all these keystones in the archway that can kind of collapse or strain. If you don’t have anything balancing out that act, of course, you’re going to be uncomfortable. It can radiate to the ankle, knee, hip, and low back. So, foot health is very, very important for everyday life.

Yeah, that’s interesting because we may not always think of it as radiating up, as you described it there. Wonderful. So, you’ve helped people with those types of issues and I’ve also seen some of your work where, for our female guests who may be listening who, maybe because of high heels, may have had some situations, you do some work around that as well.

Well, it’s interesting because cosmetic foot surgery really had a bad rap because of the binding of the feet, the shortening or can you make things look prettier, skinnier. In reality, one of the main problems with the big toe joint or the bunion deformity … Toes are simple. They’re either too long or they get pushed up in the air or you have them clawed. So, within all that, an exception of the bump in the back of the heel which we call the pump bump that rubs, these types of problems are mainly structural but they become unsightly and they’re easy to correct. So, we have created a corrective cosmetic foot surgery line to help with these problems.

Wonderful. So, you covered the gamut. We’re talking about the importance of leading on our feet. We’ll have more with Dr. Moore right after this brief commercial break.

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All right, I’m back with Dr. Robert Moore and he’s helping us understand how we lead on our feet. If our feet are hurting, it affects how we show up literally. And Dr. Moore described before the break how it’s not just actually the feet but even how that reverberates up and affects other parts of our body. So, foot health is important.

What is something that we should be aware of in terms of the biggest challenges that you see coming into your office that we could do to avoid any foot issues?

Well, as you age, the foot does become … like most things, the joints will start to take a little bit of a beating. You’re a great example. Sometimes there are just FedEx, jumping off of cars by construction workers, even male handlers, their feet, if they don’t keep their arch support, the right types of shoes, things in balance, it’s going to accelerate. Others are more functional. And if you don’t mind me picking on you a little bit, if you’re going on ground, it actually goes up and down. When you don’t have support, the odd thing about the big toe joint is it gets jammed. So, the two things I would stick with people is not just focusing on a great shoe or a great arch support and things of that nature but just the great foot health during the day is having the right support and the right tilt of the foot. So, for example, if you’re going to go to Costco and run around and push a heavy cart, don’t wear your flip-flops, just little easy things like that, because it’ll jam the big toe joint up in the air and then when it’s jammed, actually the white cartilage, looks just like the inside of a chicken bone, something of that nature, that white cartilage gets beat up on the joint and then after a time it peels away and aches and next thing you know you’re taking your anti-inflammatories and creeping out of bed. So, good foot health, I think, is a ticking time clock type of thought process which is go out and live life, go exercise, do things you need to do but make sure that you have the right support and you don’t have like a longevity activity without it.

Wonderful. So, the type of shoes we wear matter and we have to give attention to that. Of course, as you’ve told me, diet affects all that as well, more than what we might even realize.

What’s great is, not to dip into the COVID crisis, but there are so many things out there like your rheumatoid arthritis, gout, things that are odd like immunosuppressive problems, anything that creates an immune complex can land inside the joints and not only cause inflammation or even just good old-fashioned arthritis from taking a beating or working hard, with that long-term inflammatory marker, it can erode away at the cartilage. And going back to the support issue, there are so many over-the-counters and things you can make as well like the supports, I believe, I made you at the office as well. The key is in reality just making sure the feet are at a good support but tilted slightly inwards. So, even I want to go back to that for a tip for your listeners unless somebody wants to call with a particular problem is that when you have a shoe that supports the arch and everyone makes one – Reebok, Nike, Asics, New Balance – all the makers make a shoe that is not as squishy and won’t fall inward. So, if you do, even if you’re not a pronator, you have a neutral foot or you have a very stable supinated foot, if you just buy a shoe that’s firmer with the inside reinforced in the archway, it’ll last better and that’ll be good for your longevity for all your joints. And then to go back to the inflammatory problems, if you keep control of that, you will have better joint health. So, that is on the horizon right now just like they’re talking about inflammation and immune complexes for the interior of the arteries, organs and those things aging as well.

Absolutely. And you taught me that when you buy a new pair of running shoes or sneakers, whatever you want to call them, take out that little foam that’s in there because that’s no good and then put an insert in either the custom ones that a physician like you makes or the inserts as you mentioned that they can get from those other providers.

And there’s also brands of shoes that have that kind of support built in. Now, say someone who’s at the store that you can try a few pair on is it’s a good way to start but I just wanted to add that not all of you have to take them out but you’re right, 80% is some fluffy thing inside that just is made to have the consumer feel like they’re on memory foam. The only thing that’s good for is the bed.

But not good for a good run.Andrea, thank you for joining us and she says she has a question for you Dr. Moore. She says what is going on if you wake up and your feet, top and bottom, oh my, top and bottom hurt. I roll them on a whiffle ball and that makes me feel better. Then once I walk around a minute, it goes away. Any insight on that.

We’re a simple animal. We’re designed to survive. And we have a certain nervous system that once you confuse the painful area, it does cover the pain up. The analogy is hitting your elbow against the wall and rubbing it to make it feel better. So, the pain is still there, Andrea, but what’s happening is that warmed up feeling is really just confusing the nerve ending. So, I caution my patients where top of the foot pain, you might have a metatarsal stress reaction or bottom, you might have some plantar fasciitis, when you do too much to cover up the pain, you may be making it worse. So, warm it up, go ahead and make it feel better but I wouldn’t say continuing to run around on something that’s already angry is necessarily the best thing to do.

Wonderful. So, thank you for submitting your question, Andrea. And, of course, thank you for the answer, Dr. Moore.Now, you said that today is your online date. There was a technical term for it. Telemedicine, is that it?

Yes.

Okay. So, this is your telemedicine day. How’s that working out for you during this time of COVID?

Quite frankly, it’s great. It’s the only time patients don’t see this. I have probably half of my patients right now that don’t even know what I look like.

It’s funny because when I saw you, that’s what I was thinking. I was like “I haven’t seen that guy in a while.”

And you saw me last summer. It’s also interesting because a lot of folks in my profession, COVID has made me rethink my office where I have someone who’s really in a bad way, bad shoulder, can’t get the walker to get into my office and you start thinking to yourself “What’s worse?” just like Andrea, just beating herself up to get all the way to my office and getting it finally that her foot’s killing her or doing a quick telemedicine. So, it’s been great for both myself and my patients. It’s got a lot of perks with the exception of me performing a physical exam, of course.

Well, good. And, by the way, she says “Okay. Thank you.”Wonderful. So, is there a top question that you’re getting from patients during this time of COVID? There’s a lot of uncertainty and maybe it’s not even foot related when they come in and they just say “Hey, listen. Can I ask you this Dr. Moore?”

Oh yeah, it is straight COVID related and what we do is we stick with the CDC and all the recommendations. And, of course, we’re going over the top with everybody being masked, everybody including myself doing a temperature and making that transparent on the wall so they feel safe, back to my favorite word, of course, but as for the feet, I just tell them “Listen, wash your hands. Don’t touch your eyes. Don’t touch your nose. Don’t touch your mouth. I may have touched a couple of times with you too.” We teach a lot of health that way because our patients are in a lot of gyms. I see athletes who are more apt to be closer to people and to catch COVID even though some of these folks are younger and they think they’re invincible. So, I see it more than you think but there’s no real direct foot health connection with the exception of the patient population I see. I do see younger and older. I see a lot of elderly patients and, going back to telemedicine, this has been great for me because I can talk to them because, sadly, I can’t have someone who’s 90 years old coming into my office when this virus is peaking.

Right, right. It’s been so unfortunate for us but what a nice provision to be able to get you digitally. And I’m happy to get you digitally as a result. I don’t think I get you otherwise.

You are a VIP but most of our patients are. You can always get in. That’s what happens when you become an older practitioner. Again, the joke is I have a job because of this problem. I don’t think it’s going away when your feet hurt. We do have that more of an immediate need to see someone. It’s hard to blow off if you need to get somewhere. And, again, thanks for asking and discussing the leadership issues because teaching is such an important part of handing down good care.

And, by the way, I should say that Dr. Moore is so good, I actually passed probably 50 on the way to see him because he’s about an hour away from me.So, Fracent, if I’m pronouncing that correctly, has also joined us from LinkedIn. Thank you for joining us, Fracent. And his question, Dr. Moore, to you is how much of sports injuries will increase due to the increased time off for the sports person. That’s interesting.

Especially, a sport like football and basketball, you’ve got to be hardened and ready. They always talk about someone who’s been out and “Oh, they’ll just jump right back in because they’ve been in good shape.” No, you got to be on the court, you got to be on the field. I think that you’re right that the injuries are imminent and they should be extra careful, practice with caution and then maybe try to simulate things, not to go too far off the rails but sometimes when people go back with a work injury, they’ll do what’s called work hardening. So, they’ll go through physical therapy to make sure they can go back to that construction site and do what they need to do. So, I’m hoping that these teams, especially all the way down the level of junior high and high school, they’re keeping these kids up to speed and these athletes so they just don’t run back on the field and hurt themselves.

Excellent. So true. So, thank you for the answer. And thank you for the question, Fracent, and I’m hoping I got that right. Excellent.I want to go back to something that we touched on earlier but want to dig in a little bit more specifically when it comes to one of the ways to have optimal foot health is to control the inflammation and to control our diet which is the weight that we’re putting on the feet. And you are not just a podiatrist but you actually wrote the book on this, the Body of Knowledge: The Complete Weight Management System for a Lifetime of Health. Can you talk to us about that a little bit?

I really wrote it out of passion and wanted to take what I did while I was in med school was I worked at the Fairmont Hotel in San Francisco to be not only a trainer but help people have more diet-related health on the financial district down there. So, it was a nice population. Once I put it back into the book, obviously, with people being on their feet, I noticed in my practice I had a lot of overweight patients. So, I figured that was my duty to teach that as well. We took it down into something that’s really hard. We want to empower patients. We want to empower them on what do we know, what we’re going to pass down to you that we can take out of the physician lockbox. And it’s actually not that hard. We kind of stay on an infrastructure of meal frequency. The simple formula is food releases insulin, insulin stores food and fat – bigger meal, bigger storage signal, more fat storage. So, all the things you’ve heard about diet and fitness, meal frequency is big. It’s a big driver of body composition. And then, of course, fitness, we try to do more of an innate natural workout from core, working to the extremities, the push and pull muscles, the way we operate with simple walking, climbing a fence, just basic survival moves and staying in shape. So, it was a pleasure to write it. It was a little complicated in the beginning but, to answer your question, Eddie, it’s more of an empowerment book that if I do a few of these things, I can keep myself in better shape, keep the weight off and maybe even have a little bit more lean mass, have a better body composition instead of focusing on weight.

And you are the epitome of that. I mean, you live it. And even when I see you, I know that when I’m in the office and I see you throw that bar down, it’s 10 o’clock. So, wonderful.

I’m a little selfish because I gained too much weight, my knees hurt. There’s a bar for myself too but it just feels good and like any kind of place you’ve been or even your runner’s high. I would say just be in better shape. It’s just a great place to be. Also, you’ve got that duty, I think, not to keep dragging it back to your leadership team. I just can’t be that hypocrite who’s preaching these things but doesn’t walk the walk.

No, you truly are a leader in that method as well, that manner. I’m not sure where Andrea is from or Fracent but here in the States, I think.Fracent says in obese people, what hits harder first, the knees or the ankles.

I would have to say a little of both but ironically, the knees do take most of the abuse. Where the foot problems come in, of course, is the arch dropping, what is your genetics, not to go too far off the distance but you’ll see some of these people now when you watch them walk, you’ll see the ones that really bow inwards, you see the arch collapsing. And then, of course, that buckles the knees. So, they’re both connected. The answer is really which one takes the most abuse. And then it’s a ticking timebomb like we talked about earlier. For instance, the white cartilage that’s attached to the bone is very tenuous. And once it pulls free, that’s just accelerated arthritis. In obese patients, I would say, the impact is probably more on the archway but then, again, if it’s stooping down to grab something and then picking up, the knees take most of the abuse.

Dennis Murray is h listening to us from LinkedIn. So, welcome, Dennis. He says “My problem is when I’m sitting down working on my feet, they swell during that time. I am not overweight but my height is at 6-4 but when I’m cycling, I don’t have that problem. What do you suggest?”

Well, there are standing desks. There are ways to get up and down. You would think that I don’t need in good shape any kind of support but I love wearing the support stockings, Dennis. You can literally go onto Amazon, look for the number 20 mmHg. It’s just a pressure term. So, 20 mmHg. 30 is a little tight but what happens is the veins have a one-way valve and this one-way valve lets the blood stop from coming down from above. And if the vein swells and the valve comes down, well, then all the blood pools to the bottom of the feet. And then while you’re trying to circulate it back to the heart, when you’re sitting down, sometimes the weight of your torso can also pinch off the venous blood return and that’s why your ankles swell so much when you sit down. Cycling, of course, the calves are contracting. They’re forcing the blood back to the heart. So, nothing I’ve never seen. I don’t think you have a problem unless you have varicosities and things of that nature but I would go ahead and get some support stockings if you’re sitting a lot during these times and then make sure every 15 minutes you stand up and type a little bit, do a lap in the office and then sit back down.

Thank you for answering Dennis’ question. Thank you, Dennis, for submitting the question.Dr. Moore, I’ve enjoyed talking to you. What’s the overarching theme you’d like to leave with our listeners today?

All right, as for good foot health, it’s just like we talked with Andrea, if you do think about what you’re wearing and you have that support, you get your anti-pronatory shoes, your stabilizer running shoes. Ironically, if you do go out to church, a nice event, with a small heel, that’ll also help. And you’re conscious about supporting your feet, then, of course, they’re going to treat you right as age goes on. In regards to everything else and leadership qualities, it’s communications. Again, this is actually my practice and what Eddie is talking about on his platform. It’s transparency, information, communication. Don’t forget to tell your physician everything in your background. Little things are important. Guillain-Barre is a viral disease that affects the side of the leg. Who knows what’s out there but the main thing is coordination of care with all your physicians, especially your endocrinologist if you have diabetes which we all know have problems in the feet. So, my take-home message is structurally, really watch the condition of your feet condition wise, strengthen up everything from the calves, thighs, hamstrings, all the way up but in effect we’re strengthening the foot. Something else I didn’t mention I want to give your listeners is to really focus on massage, things of that nature but not so much on trying to overwork it, strengthen it. I get that question a lot. So, feet are more of a structural issue and maintenance issue and not so much of the strengthening unless you’re going higher up.

Excellent, excellent, excellent. And is there any quote that you use in your leadership, a favorite quote that you have or is there the best piece of advice you’ve ever received as a leader that you’d like to share with our audience?

Teach by giving away wisdom. I think a lot of people hold certain tips, secrets, perks like “It’s a little piece of myself. It’s powerful. Boy, if I give this to them, well, then there goes my IP,” if you will. I feel like if that’s all relinquished, I mean, you’re really putting something out there in the world.

You got time for one quick one?

Sure.

We’ll sneak one quick one in. It just came in. By the way, Dennis is saying thank you for your answer and from YouTube, an answer just came in – “I have a question. I am 5-foot 3 and weighing 144 pounds. Am I okay or am I fat? The BMI says I’m overweight.”

Wow! Putting me on the spot, people. No, actually I’m going to give you a funny answer because, obviously, since I wrote that book, I’m big on body composition. Now, BMI is a screen. It’s not a terrible thing but for the average human being that is so tall and such a certain width, it’s a great screen gut, for example, I myself am right on the edge of being overweight. It doesn’t matter if my body fat gets down into single digits because it’s a weight and height curve. So, yes, shorter people will have a harder time with the BMI. So, I would look more into your body composition, you’re lean-to-fat mass. There are impedance scales. There’s a plethora of devices out there that can measure what your lean-to-fat mass is. And that is actually what I go for. Also, you can log on to the NIH – National Institute of Health – and they have a new graph that’s BMI which is, of course, height and weight and they also mix in one more variable which is waist circumference. So, it’s more accurate.

Where can my listeners learn more about you?

The best is just perusing my YouTube channel, the website in general. My blog is probably half the content which is not the best, it’s my way to talk about new procedures or even be a little bit esoteric and say how I feel about other issues in the world. I would lean towards YouTube and the website. The dropdown menu is designed to go right to your area of problems. Look at the landing page and then maybe find out a little bit more about your problem.

Fantastic. So, I’m going to put all that in the show notes so everybody can click very easily and get access to booking an appointment with you if they have more questions than what they got a chance to get answered today. Go see Dr. Robert Moore, everybody. Again, he’s my personal podiatrist. He literally keeps me standing, keeps me on my feet. Go see him, connect with him, watch his videos because he’s done some really impressive things. And, by the way, I didn’t say it, he’s also been covered a lot on the local media here in Houston. So, he is the man. If you’re looking for someone to help you if your feet and your ankles, stop. Here’s your man. Go see him.Thank you for taking time out of your busy schedule to be with me here on the Keep Leading!® Podcast, on Keep Leading LIVE™ and helping us learn how we can lead on our feet if we’re going to keep leading, Dr. Moore.

Thank you so much. My pleasure.

That concludes this episode, everyone. Thank you for listening. I’m Eddie Turner, The Leadership Excelerator®, reminding you that leadership is not about our title or our position. Leadership is action. Leadership is an activity. It’s not the case of once a leader, always a leader. It’s not a garment we put on and take off. We must be a leader at our core and allow it to emanate in all we do. So, whatever you’re doing, always keep leading.