The Courage to Leave

Episode Summary

What does it take to walk away from success—and toward authenticity? In this inspiring episode of the Keep Leading!® Podcast, host Eddie Turner sits down with Jeff Davis, speaker, author, and former corporate executive, to explore the true meaning of courage in leadership and life.

Jeff shares his personal journey of leaving a high-powered career to pursue purpose, alignment, and freedom. Together, Eddie and Jeff unpack the emotional resilience behind major transitions, the cost of staying versus the reward of leaving, and how self-leadership shapes personal and professional reinvention.

This episode is a must-listen for anyone navigating career change, leadership transformation, or personal growth—and a reminder that real courage isn’t just about leading others, but leading yourself.

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Jeff Davis is the award-winning author of four books and a sought-after professional speaker, consultant, and mental health advocate. With keynote speeches delivered worldwide, Jeff is recognized as an expert in mental health, authentic leadership, resilience, and more. A TEDx speaker and Forbes contributor, he’s frequently featured on top podcasts. Jeff speaks and consults with schools, nonprofits, organizations, associations, and businesses, and has interviewed influential figures, including a billionaire, Senators, CEOs, and New York Times bestselling authors. Referred to as “The Muhammad Ali of Mental Health,” Jeff is known for his deep insights and openness. He’s traveled to five continents and holds a master’s degree from Johns Hopkins Carey Business School. Originally from Connecticut, Jeff currently resides in Tampa Bay, Florida.

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Eddie Turner:
Hello everyone. Welcome to Keep Leading Live. Keep Leading Live as the Keep Leading Podcast, live stream version, is dedicated to leadership development and insights. I’m your host, Eddie Turner, the leadership accelerator. I work with leaders to accelerate performance and drive impact through the power of executive coaching, masterful facilitation,

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Have you ever been in a situation where you were so frustrated at work? You were so just feeling like you were being eviscerated, that you wanted to give up, just throwing the towel? More and more people are reporting feeling that way. But for a variety of reasons, they have to hang on.

And so they deal with these circumstances that are less than healthy, that are less than ideal. What can you do? To answer that question, I’ve invited my expert guest today, Jeff Davis. Jeff Davis has taken his own experiences and those of countless others and detailed them in his new book.

Eddie Turner:
that is entitled, The Courage to Leave, Breaking Free from Toxic Workplaces. So in our conversation today, we’re gonna talk about how you can recognize toxic work environments, what you can do about them, and how you can protect your mental health while strategizing for your next career move. Jeff is the person to talk about this.

And this isn’t his only book. He’s written four books and he’s a leadership expert in addition to being a mental health expert. Jeff, welcome to the Keep Bleeding podcast.

Jeff Davis:
Eddie, absolute pleasure to be here. I’m looking forward to our discussion today.

Eddie Turner:
Well, it’s an honor to have you and something else about you that people may not know that I am dying to find out the answer to is you’ve been referred to as the Muhammad Ali of mental health. How did that come about?

Jeff Davis:
Yes, so I have a dear friend and colleague who is a fellow speaker and that’s a nickname he gave me because he noticed I was very persistent in talking about mental health and it’s also something that a lot of people avoid, which we of course share respectfully, but at the same time realize that to shatter the taboo and to help people, we need to keep talking about it. And this dear friend of mine by the name of Aditya, he saw that despite

people not necessarily agreeing with me speaking up about it or understanding or even always supporting it. I always truly believed in that North Star to speak up, to help people with their mental health and to keep this conversation going. So he gave me that nickname and it’s one that has stuck.

Eddie Turner:
that’s a tall order. Very nice. So the courage to leave. Tell us what made you write this book.

Jeff Davis:
Yes, the courage to leave. as throughout my career, I’ve done multiple things simultaneously. I’ve been this writer and professional speaker, and I’ve had my corporate career, and they’ve both supported and complimented one another. And in a transparent way, I will share with the purpose of helping other people that I’ve dealt with an extraordinary amount of toxic workplaces. Now, this is not to complain. I’m sharing this to shine a light on it and to help other people who may be struggling as well.

I’m talking about walking out on the spot in a job I had in Times Square, New York City, dealing with a corrupt CEO in Connecticut. I had a very unfortunate situation happen at a team event in New York where a colleague actually charged me with a weapon, specifically a knife, and he had to be held back by some of his colleagues. A very unfortunate. I then go overseas to the Netherlands. I lived overseas for many years and I dealt with

a number of toxic companies, including a corrupt multi-billion euro conglomerate that I stood up to with, my team of lawyers. Now I share all that because I’m one person. And for this book I wrote, it was really important to me that I get other perspectives in the book talking about all different kinds of workplace harassment. And I’m speaking up about it because it’s prevalent and because not enough people are talking about it. And there are many people who feel stuck in a loan.

And my most sincere hope, desire and intention is that people feel heard, seen, acknowledged and valued by this discussion that’s happening.

Eddie Turner:
Interesting. Thank you for sharing that.

birthing of a book where it came from. So when you start to dissect what a toxic workplace looks like, how do you help people to understand the difference between a toxic workplace as compared to a workplace that just has your typical challenges that we should all expect?

Jeff Davis:
Yes, it’s a subtle nuance and it will actually vary per person in the sense that what one person may interpret as harassment may not necessarily be that way to another person. But the important distinction here is that on the person on the receiving end, if they feel it’s harassment, then it is. So what I would say is, is it something that’s recurring? Is it being repeated over time? I think about my friend Anya, who I featured in the book, who worked at Metta.

aka Facebook, and the subtle bullying she experienced was not direct and it was not overt, but it was covert where it happened repeatedly. So a lot of times a one-off event can occur and we all make mistakes, myself included. And if that event can be addressed respectfully, and if it can be prevented moving forward, you may not be dealing with a toxic workplace, you’re just dealing with the imperfection of human beings. If those events occur repeatedly,

If there’s nothing being done to prevent it from moving forward, if people aren’t open to conversations, and if you feel like you’re being bullied or harassed or discriminated against, then indeed it is a toxic environment. So that is the nuance to pay attention to.

Eddie Turner:
Show 1-2.

Jeff Davis:
Say that again.

Eddie Turner:
What should one do in those circumstances?

Jeff Davis:
Yes. So if you are in that situation where you find that you’re being bullied and harassed, first of all, I encourage anyone and everyone to speak up. There’s enormous power in speaking up. That could be to your boss, to your boss’s boss, even someone in leadership in the executive C-suite. Now I do acknowledge that it can be very scary to speak up and not everyone may want to do that. So there are other things that you can do where you can talk to colleagues about the situation.

and you can seek resources. I will say that human resources often is not as supportive as they claim to be, but I will say that in every workplace, even with bad eggs, you can find at least one person who might be able to advocate or sponsor for you, or can at least be a listening ear. Another thing I encourage people to do is that when the bullying becomes extreme and it becomes something that’s really hurting your health, I encourage others to seek legal counsel.

There are all sorts of workplace lawyers, employment lawyers, and that’s something that could be very valuable as well. Seeking legal counsel is how in fact I defeated the corrupt company. So those are things you can do. It doesn’t mean you have to quit on the spot. I do encourage others to look for new opportunities and to get out of there if the entire ecosystem is toxic. As you said to me once before, Eddie, in one of our previous conversations, sometimes the toxicity is completely pervasive in that culture.

In that case, I say get out. And if you’re not able to leave on the spot because you need the income to pay your bills, then that’s where you’re looking for a new job while biding your time. And as I said, while speaking up about the situation.

Eddie Turner:
You said that sometimes HR is not as helpful as we might hope. And in your book, you refer to your own experience with the actual director of HR.

Jeff Davis:
Yes, that is something that I found not only in my experience, but in the conversations with many other people. And I learned this the hard way. I was a little bit in the dark at first where I thought, it’s human resources. They’re there to help you. And more often than not, and it’s not black and white, but more often than not, I will say this, human resources is there to protect the interests of the company.

Now, yes, there are exceptions to the rule. There are good HR people out there as well. However, a lot of the times they’re not going to have your best interests at heart. They may not help you to end bullying if, for example, the perpetrator is someone who is valued by the company. They may not even respect the fact that you spoke up. So that’s something crucial to keep in mind that HR director, I defeated him by

consulting the legal resources, I talked to colleagues both in and outside of the workplace who were also dealing with his harassment demands, threats and corruption. And then of course, knowing that knowledge is power and applied knowledge is power, I was able to speak up not only with my lawyers, but I actually spoke up to the global CEO of the company. And I told the global CEO respectfully what happened and he proceeded to fire the HR director. So I really, really espouse the power.

of speaking up and it’s something that I’ve seen in my experience and I’ve seen work for other people as well.

Eddie Turner:
Now, what you’re describing requires a lot of courage. That’s not something that is within the realm of many people. So where does this courage come from?

Jeff Davis:
That’s a great point. And I’ve never been asked that specific question before. tip kudos and hats off to you for that. I first of all would say, find your inner strength. If you’re, if you’re seeking for your courage, first of all, it’s okay. If you feel scared, in fact, acknowledge that you feel scared. like to tell others about a technique called R A V recognize, acknowledge, validate. And I’m sharing this to help others find their inner strength and then ultimately courage at their core.

You recognize, you simply are recognizing how you’re feeling. You acknowledge it. I see you, I feel you, and you validate it. You put a name to the emotion. You could say, you know, are you scared? Are you confused? Are you angry? Maybe it’s a mix of all of that. And once you’ve gone through that process and you’ve done the inner work, you can connect with your inner strength, and that’s how you can find courage. I would also say to know this,

When you speak up, it’s not just for you. It’s for other people as well. That corrupt company, there was someone who was actually considering this is very sad, very, very sad. He was considering ending his life because the HR director bullied harassed and threatened him to such an extreme point. He called me up and I convinced him to continue living. I’m saying this because finding courage comes from knowing that other people are hurting too.

Eddie Turner:
you

Jeff Davis:
and you’re helping a lot of people by speaking up. So connecting with your true self, acknowledging how you feel and going within to find that inner strength to say, you know what, I’m not gonna tolerate this anymore.

Eddie Turner:
Okay, well thank you for sharing that helpful tip for us, Jeff, and how we can muster up the courage to take an action. Because when you’re talking about taking on the HR director, taking on, you mentioned speaking to the global leadership team, that’s no small potato, as we say, where I came from.

Jeff Davis:
Yeah.

Eddie Turner:
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dot com, where the C-suite radio is. So C-suite radio, the Keep Leading Podcast is a part of the C-suite radio network where we’re turning up the volume on business. So in addition to other places that you can download these episodes, visit the C-suite network and get connected to my other colleagues there who are also doing great podcasts. All right.

So I want to turn back to my conversation here with Jeff Davis. Jeff Davis is an award-winning author, professional speaker, a leadership and mental health expert, the book, out of these four books, the book we’re talking about today is The Courage to Leave. And you share with us some interesting ways to identify a toxic workplace.

Eddie Turner:
steps we can take if we find ourselves in that situation before our break. Here’s what I want to know, Jeff. You talked about it from an individual’s perspective who is going through it. What can leaders who are observing what this, what other individuals might be going through, what can they do? Because sometimes they see it unfolding and they know that that person is right into the core who is putting people through this.

But they feel, even though they’re in a leadership position, they feel paralyzed.

Jeff Davis:
Yes. Excellent question here. I’m going to start with a general point and then I’m going to go into a more specific point that I talk into with the book so that I can add as much value here as possible. So first off, we talked about courage. This is something that has come up in our discussion here today. And I would encourage the senior leaders, the executive team, the C-suite to have the courage to address the behavior with the bully. Now,

It may not mean firing them on the spot, but it could mean letting someone go. And what I’ve seen in my experience and also other people I talked to is that people knew who the bad egg or the bad eggs was or were, but the senior leaders didn’t have the courage to address it and to eventually let them go. So having the guts to sit them down and to acknowledge your behavior is hurting others. can walk them through a plan.

You can walk them through mentorship to improve. And if they don’t improve, you do need to let them go. Sounds simple. A lot of companies really struggle to let them go. I’ll now very quickly go into a four step process that truly can help all leaders to implement this at an entire organizational level. This is how culture shift occurs. First of all, we want, we want to step out of siloed training.

We want to look at the entire system, the entire culture of the organization. And if you can step away from just the individual and look at how could you train the entire team that will elevate things. Then we have experiential versus passive learning. And this is something where Eddie, you’re well versed this as a successful executive coach, where this is the power of mentoring and we can mentor team members to experientially learn and then.

essentially get live application in the workplace. This is something that senior leaders kick off, but the change is happening at the granular level. And I’m saying this because there’s that disconnect between senior leaders and the granular level, and this will bridge the gap. Two more things. We have a cognitive framework for behavioral change. So we’re looking at habits. looking at self-awareness. How can we bridge the self-awareness gap? And that’s something senior leaders can help.

Eddie Turner:
Mm-hmm.

Jeff Davis:
both themselves and the team do. And finally, custom and contextual facilitation. How do these changes impact the goals of the organization? And what I found in my research is that when colleagues, team members and employees can essentially align their habits with the goals of the organization, it will benefit both themselves and the entire company. We need senior leaders to kick this off. We need social proof. We need modeling behaviors. And then we need this ingr-

starting to be implemented at the granular level.

Eddie Turner:
Thank you. Are there any organizations that you consider best in class at following these steps?

Jeff Davis:
Yeah, that’s a great question. One of the organizations that’s best in class is Toyota. They have taken measures to completely transform their organization with this kind of effective leadership. So that’s one organization that I like to talk about. Toyota has been very, very strong in that regard as well. And then I can also think back to my own experiences in my own life. I work for a digital marketing.

consultancy in Connecticut called Acara Partners and they were excellent because the CEO embodied the leadership of putting his employees first. And because he put his employees first, the employees could then make the profits work. So that’s something that I also like to teach as a leadership expert that you need to put your employees first and they’ll make the profits and that’s way better than putting profits first and ringing out your employees.

Eddie Turner:
Absolutely, very good. Well, thank you, Jeff. You’ve shared very interesting information for us to understand how we can identify talks and workplaces and the steps you can take if we find ourselves in that position. One last item I’d like to cover is, you mentioned earlier how there were these restraints on people who find themselves in the situation.

be it financially, hey, I need this job, I can’t leave or whatever the reasons are. If they do realize that the only way out is to leave the organization, it’s not going to get better by staying or appealing or trying to work the mechanisms for improvement, how can they begin to set up successful exit strategy?

Jeff Davis:
Yes, there are many times where the only way out is to leave. And whether that means you’re leaving right now or soon or as soon as you can, that truly may be the best strategy in some cases. So first of all, what I like to coach others to do is to explore your options as much as possible. And this is something that I have lived.

I’ve experienced that others I’ve talked to as well. I’ll give you an example. Indeed indeed is a job search engine and I encourage you to look for jobs on indeed. And I’m not just talking about one or two, but let’s see if you can do five or seven, maybe 10, maybe if you’re really on fire, maybe it’s 20 applications in a single day. And I promise you from the most sincere part of who I am that there are other jobs out there. And I understand the fear that there aren’t, but there are.

And what I’ve seen a lot of people do is they’ll give up after a few rejections. And that’s why I’m saying, don’t just send a couple applications. Don’t give up after a few rejections, keep going and explore options via a job search engine. Like indeed you can work with recruiters. You can reach out to former colleagues. Colleagues can perhaps join you in that, in the job hunt in terms of helping you. Maybe it’s pulling you into their organization. Maybe it’s giving you ideas.

I like to encourage others to do informational interviewing where you’re identifying what’s a better job and career for you. And you explore that by reaching out to people via LinkedIn, via email, via networking events, like Rotary, Chamber of Commerce, Kiwanis, Lions, Toastmasters, et cetera. And you can interview people and identify exactly what kind of role that you desire to have. So these are all things that someone can do to get a better exit plan.

and to keep going. I acknowledge how incredibly hard it is, but there are other jobs out there waiting for you. You just have to keep persevering.

Eddie Turner:
Indeed. Thank you, Jeff. What’s the most important message you want our listeners to take away from our conversation?

Jeff Davis:
Most important message that I would like the listeners to take away from today’s conversation is that you are not alone. One, you are not alone. So many countless people are dealing with workplace toxicity and they feel stuck all around the world. I promise you, you’re not alone. And number two, you have options, you have choices, you have other possibilities. And that’s why you can then move forward to step into activating those possibilities.

Eddie Turner:
Thank you. What quote do you use to help you keep leading?

Jeff Davis:
Yes, there is a phenomenal, fantastic quote by the legendary coach, John Wooden. he talks about, in his specific quote, is that the essential primary key to leadership is to first lead and change yourself and to model that behavior yourself. He talks about the primary key is to first model and change that behavior yourself.

So you have to lead by leading by example. And John Wood is talking about leading by example. And that’s why I love that quote so much.

Eddie Turner:
Leading by example, and as our show says, keep leading. Very nice. Thank you for sharing that. I want to make sure folks know to reach out to you at jeffdespeaks.com. D as in David, for those who are listening to this on audio. I am showing the actual website for those who are tuned into the live program. Very, very nice. Jeff, it’s been a pleasure speaking with you. Thank you for being a guest today on the Keep.

leading podcast.

Jeff Davis:
My pleasure, Eddie. Thank you so much for having me today.

Eddie Turner:
And thank you for listening. That concludes this episode, everyone. I’m Eddie Turner, the Leadership Accelerator, reminding you that leadership is not about our title or our position. Leadership is action. Leadership is an activity. It’s not the case of once a leader, always a leader. It’s not a garment that we put on and take off. We must be a leader at our core and allow it to emanate.

in all we do. So whatever you’re doing, always keep leading.

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The Science of Leadership

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What does science teach us about becoming a more effective leader? In this episode of the Keep Leading!® Podcast, host Eddie Turner sits down with Dr. Jeffrey Hull, executive coach, psychologist, and author of Flex: The Art and Science of Leadership in a Changing World.

Together, they explore how cutting-edge research in neuroscience, emotional intelligence, and adaptive leadership is transforming how we think about success in organizations today. Dr. Hull shares actionable insights on:

• Applying the science behind leadership agility and psychological safety.
• Leading teams through rapid change and innovation.
• Balancing data-driven decision-makingwith empathy and authenticity.
• Developing emotional intelligence to improve team engagement and performance.

Whether you’re an executive, team leader, or aspiring coach, this conversation offers science-backed strategies to help you lead with clarity, curiosity, and confidence.

Listen now to discover why leadership is both an art and a science—and how you can use proven research to Keep Leading!®

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Jeffrey Hull is a leadership consultant, executive coach, and Executive Director of the Institute of Coaching at Harvard Medical School, where he also serves as a clinical instructor in psychology. Named one of the top fifty coaches in the world by Thinkers50 in 2024, Hull has conducted over 20,000 coaching sessions with senior leaders globally through his consultancy, Leadershift Inc. He is the author of the bestselling book “FLEX: The Art and Science of Leadership in a Changing World” and co-author of the upcoming “The Science of Leadership: Nine Ways to Expand Your Impact” (July 2025), which combines coaching practices with actionable science for everyday leaders. An adjunct professor at New York University and sought-after keynote speaker, Hull has worked with major organizations including Goldman Sachs, Yale New Haven Medical Institute, and the International Coach Federation, focusing on evidence-based leadership development and transformational coaching techniques.

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Eddie Turner:
Hello, welcome to Keep Leading Live. This is the live edition of the Keep Leading podcast where we look at leadership subjects and the idea is about leadership development and insights for my listeners. I’m Eddie Turner, the Leadership Accelerator. I work with leaders to accelerate performance and drive impact through the power of executive coaching, masterful facilitation,

and keynote speeches. I’m broadcasting today on usually LinkedIn, don’t think that was gonna work, but Facebook and YouTube. This is a part of the C-suite network. So on C-suite radio, you can access this or wherever you download podcasts within a week or so we’ll have that live there. And this is available on Spotify as a video.

as well as the audio for you to be able to replay later. So we’ll encourage you to access the show later on in that respect. And if you’re not following my guests today, I’m going to encourage you to do that. This is someone who you definitely want to know. Now, here’s the reason why. This is a Keep Leading Podcast. It’s all about leadership. And I’ve examined many aspects of leadership.

And everyone has definitions. And I even took one of my most fulfilling programs I ever took in my life was about the art of leadership. Well, today I have a gentleman who has done research on the science of leadership. What does that mean? Why does it matter? Why should you want to read this new book that he’s released with that precise title?

Jeffrey Hull:
My guest today is Dr. Jeffrey Hull. Dr. Jeffrey Hull at Department of War.

Eddie Turner:
My guest today is Dr. Jeffrey Hull. Dr. Jeffrey Hull and Margaret Moore have written the book, The Science of Leadership. And we’re going to look at the systematic elements that they have compiled that allow you to process what effective leadership looks like. And Dr. Jeff Hull is no stranger here on the Keep Leading Podcast. He is one of my few repeat guests.

Jeffrey Hull:
the science of leadership. And we’re going to look at the systematic elements of the EF compile that allow you to process what effective leadership looks like. And Dr. Jeff Ho is no stranger to that.

Eddie Turner:
So when I saw that he had this new book coming out, it’s right in harmony with everything that I’m passionate about. had to interview him. So I’m grateful that he accepted my interview. Jeff, welcome back to the Keith Levy Podcast.

Jeffrey Hull:
Thank you, Eddie. It’s a pleasure to be back with you again.

Eddie Turner:
Thank you for agreeing to come back and be with me. Tell our listeners who don’t know who you are, just a little bit about yourself.

Jeffrey Hull:
Well, like everyone else, I have a long convoluted resume, but the simple version is I am currently the executive director of the Institute of Coaching, which is a global association of coaches affiliated with Harvard Medical School. And I am also a leadership coach like you. So a good portion of my time is spent coaching leaders all over the world.

And then finally I do some writing, as you mentioned, a new book just came out, my third book. And I also teach Harvard Medical School part-time at NYU. And I recently started teaching part-time in Berlin at ESMT, doing some programs there. So a little combination, I guess they call it the portfolio career, writing, teaching, coaching, all the great stuff.

Eddie Turner:
Yeah, but what’s beautiful is you’re writing, teaching, coaching, they go hand in hand. And so when you’re teaching, you’re bringing real world evidence to the classroom that is practical. Not just we need that hardcore academic component, but you’re able to blend the two and you’re a true citizen of the world, truly traveled across the globe. And all of that shows through not only your examples that you share,

Jeffrey Hull:
Right.

Eddie Turner:
but also in your writing and the depth of your research that isn’t just focused on one hemisphere, as sometimes we might fall into the trap of doing. And therefore, this book is truly something that everyone can benefit from because it has global application. To that end, tell us, you and Margaret Moore, who I’m also a tremendous fan of, decided to combine your years of experience to write this book. How did that happen?

Jeffrey Hull:
Well, it’s obviously these things, it’s a long convoluted story as to how it all fell in place, but Margaret Moore is one of the co-founders of the Institute of Coaching. She has a very long celebrated career in research and science. She was actually a biotech executive before she went into the coaching space. And then I have a psychology background and

was a executive coach and psychologist for a number of years before I joined the Institute of Coaching. So together we have been working, bringing the science of coaching to coaches for over a decade. And we started having a conversation with a publisher a couple of years ago around the lack of access that leaders have, not just coaches, but leaders.

to the latest and greatest research on what makes leadership effective. And we all discussed with the publisher the fact that there are so many academic publications over the last 20, 30 years of research that look at different components of leadership. And they are then written up in academic journals.

And they’re really interesting if you like reading academic journals. But the reality is that the vast majority of day-to-day leaders, and you know this as well as I do, the people we coach, they don’t have time to read academic research. They know that it’s there. They get a little summary here and there from Harvard Business Review or from Forbes. But in general, the academic research that has been building strongly over the last decades

Eddie Turner:
Yes.

Jeffrey Hull:
is really not accessible or not day-to-day usable for most leaders. And so Margaret and I decided with the support of our publisher to basically go through a summary of all the research in the last 20 or 25 years around leadership effectiveness, all the studies. And we did not read 15,000 studies, but what we did do is we went through them.

Eddie Turner:
So

Jeffrey Hull:
bulk of the majority of studies in the last five years on all the different topics related to leadership. And you can imagine it’s servant leadership, transformational leadership, authentic leadership, agile, there’s so many different versions, right? And what we tried to do was then putting on our coach hats, we took that research summary

Eddie Turner:
Yes, absolutely.

Jeffrey Hull:
and tried to frame it in such a way that this great academic work, by the way, that includes 22 countries around the world. So it’s global research, academics from universities all over the world. We look for a way to frame it so that it would be accessible and practical. We created a framework with what we considered to be the nine most studied

Eddie Turner:
you

Jeffrey Hull:
competencies or modalities of leadership. And then we incorporated the two things that I think are really crucial to any leader, which is coaching stories, like real life stories of how these apply, and then finally some practices. So each chapter has real practices that leaders can put into action, or they could work with a coach and use them. The book could be…

Eddie Turner:
Mm-hmm.

Jeffrey Hull:
used by the leader by him or herself, or it could be used with a coach. But each chapter, each of the nine areas that we focused on has specific practices. So the idea fundamentally was to take really rich research and translate it into something accessible.

Eddie Turner:
Excellent.

Eddie Turner:
And that you’ve done. So, and thank you for giving me an early copy. I have a digital copy. Normally I’d have it on my shelf here. Excuse me, sharing that. Now I’m getting all choked up talking to you. Normally I’d have that on display. So I have had a chance to read it and it’s precisely everything you described. So the idea that you have taken 15,000 specific scientific studies across 22 different countries.

Jeffrey Hull:
That’s okay.

Eddie Turner:
applied your 20,000 hours of coaching to distill it in a way that would be meaningful to not just those in the executive suite who want to understand leadership, no matter what level they’re at, but also to those who will coach them. That’s quite powerful. And as evidence of the quality of the research you put into this book, you have some very impressive endorsements.

Jeffrey Hull:
Right.

Eddie Turner:
When you open it up and you see that none other than noted Harvard Business School professor, Amy Edmondson has endorsed this book. Global executive coaching leader and thinker, Marshall Goldsmith has endorsed this book. And the CEO of the International Coaching Federation, Magda Mook has endorsed it. Just to say a couple of people, that tells you the quality of the book and what people think about, who’s the target audience?

These people have said this is the book you want to read if you’re in these lanes.

Jeffrey Hull:
Yeah, I think what’s unique is this approach that we took to leadership is that the vast majority, there’s hundreds and hundreds of leadership books, and some really good ones. And I think, in fact, you’ve written a couple of good ones yourself. So there’s some really good leadership stuff out there. But what we tried to do was to look at the

Eddie Turner:
Yes.

Jeffrey Hull:
studies that academic researchers have been doing on the different domains of leadership over the last decade, couple of decades. And recognizing that the science, I mean, I think most people think of leadership as an art and the science. It’s a little bit of both. And a lot of the art of leadership is written about by coaches like yourself or me, and also by famous

Eddie Turner:
Yes.

Jeffrey Hull:
famous CEOs, know, Jeff Bezos or CEO Elon Musk or the CEO of Starbucks. What was his name? I’m forgetting, but you know who I’m talking about.

Eddie Turner:
Yes, I can’t believe I forget Howard Schultz.

Jeffrey Hull:
Howard Schultz, yeah. So they write these wonderful stories and they’re very inspiring. And I think they can be really helpful to leaders, but every leadership dynamic is unique. So you can’t just read Jeff Bezos’ story and try to replicate that. That’s a unique situation. It’s inspiring, but it’s a particular moment in time with a particular idea. It’s like an entrepreneur’s leadership. What we tried to do

is look at the research that is more across the board, across the landscape of leadership, summarize the findings that these professors of 22 different universities across the globe have discovered, and then make that information, which is available in the public domain, but it’s not easy to read. It takes a lot of extra time and energy. We tried to summarize it in a way

Eddie Turner:
Yes.

Jeffrey Hull:
that is really simple, very accessible, and also creates a roadmap for leaders. Whether a senior leader or a starting out leader, you can’t really be good at everything right from the beginning, right? You have to grow, you have to learn.

Eddie Turner:
Are you sure? Because there are some folks that would argue with you on that one now.

Jeffrey Hull:
They wake up one day and they’re just an expert at every domain of leadership, right? I wish that were the case.

Eddie Turner:
Yes, yes. Well, you brought it down to nine specific areas. I won’t ask you to give us all nine, but can you tell us, is there one that’s more important than all of the nine?

Jeffrey Hull:
That’s a very difficult question because I think it would depend on the situation that the leader is facing. But I will, to simplify the framing, one way we did try to think about it was three levels of complexity. And you think about leadership these days in today’s disrupted world, it’s a very complex environment that every leader faces. Lots of change.

Eddie Turner:
Okay.

Jeffrey Hull:
artificial intelligence and all the globalization and the political spheres, very complex. But there are definitely three levels at which every leader needs to operate. The first is within themselves. You have to start with yourself, right? You have to know yourself. You have to look at your strengths. You have to look at what your development opportunities are as an individual. Secondly, you have to look around at the people you interact with.

your team, your subordinates, your board of directors, whoever is above, below, and around you. So the second level is your facing your others, the teams. And then finally, when you get to be a sophisticated leader at any level, you wanna start to think about the system. You wanna think about the organization and the broader impact. So we did frame the book into three levels, self, other, and system.

and then interspersed the nine domains. So there’s three in each of them.

Eddie Turner:
So is it meant to be an SOS on purpose, Jeff?

Jeffrey Hull:
Actually, now that you say that, that’s true.

Eddie Turner:
Hey, because I know for some leaders, where we are today with all of, as you mentioned, the complexity that we’re facing, it is truly an SOS. And I love, as you mentioned several times, the idea that you’ve taken all this research that exists in the public domain and it’s available, right? Knowledge is exponential these days, but how can we get the specific component that we need in the moment in time that we need it? And so you’ve

Jeffrey Hull:
Right?

Jeffrey Hull:
Right.

Eddie Turner:
You’ve brought it down to these three specific areas that leaders can challenge themselves and do it, or as you mentioned, be able to work with their coach and do this to be able to have a focused approach to their leadership development.

Jeffrey Hull:
That’s right.

Jeffrey Hull:
Yes, absolutely. And the idea is to start where you are as a leader. And you asked me, you know, what is the most important of the nine? And if I was forced to answer the question, because I think they’re all important, but the very first step into this roadmap, we call conscious leadership. And consciousness is about awareness.

So starting point for all of us as leaders, whether it’s you or me or anyone else that aspires or works in a leadership domain, is to know ourselves. And so seeing yourself clearly is always the place to start. And that means your willingness to receive some feedback, whether it’s through an assessment or through colleagues or through a coach.

but getting some feedback so that you can understand your strengths and maybe your, what we call shadows or your triggers or some of the things that are not quite so friendly about all of us. We all have them. We all have to become aware of them. We all have to look at ways we can be more present and more mindful. So conscious leadership is really the starting point. And then you’re.

You leap forward from there into authentic leadership and relational leadership and positive leadership and servant leadership and ultimately transformational leadership. And I’ll let you, we can decide what we key in on in this conversation.

Eddie Turner:
You know, this is my, this is why I invited you all, right? This is the area I’m so passionate about because there are so many aspects of leadership and to your point, it depends on who the leader is, where they’re leading, in terms of the organization that they’re leading, which country are they leading in? What is the demographics? So it’s so.

Jeffrey Hull:
Hahaha

Jeffrey Hull:
Right.

Eddie Turner:
dependent and it’s the idea that there’s only one way to do it, one way to be successful is wrong to make that conclusion. So it’s good to have this exposure to a full breadth of leadership principles, leadership concepts, leadership theory, and then see how they should be applied. And you expose the reader to that and then you show them what that looks like in practical application.

through the stories that you introduce the leaders to. Now, you also talk about the cost of not taking action. What does the, or how much does it cost organizations when they tolerate poor leadership?

Jeffrey Hull:
Right.

Jeffrey Hull:
Well, I think the statistics of engagement and burnout, lack of engagement and burnout. I’m not quite up on the latest McKinsey studies, but they haven’t gotten much better over the last couple of years. And burnout is at an all time high, engagement is at an all time low. And a lot of that, I mean, I hate to say it, but it really does trace back to the leaders effectiveness.

Eddie Turner:
Yes, sir.

Jeffrey Hull:
I mean, people look to their leaders to create the space, to create the tone, to create the culture that inspires, motivates, and has people have a desire to be engaged with them towards a goal. And there are, as you said, there is a lot of different ways to approach that. And what we do in our book is ask a leader

who’s starting to read the book to do a quick assessment of these nine capacities, these nine capabilities, and think about what their strengths are, because some leaders have a natural strength in some domains. But then to realize that there’s a lot more that they can grow, they can learn, and then maybe go through the entire book step by step, or just choose, you know, there have been clients of mine

Eddie Turner:
Thank you.

Jeffrey Hull:
who have looked at the nine domains and said to me, you know, Jeff, there’s a couple of things that jump out at me. Number one, I don’t really understand what you mean by positive leadership. And number two, I’m not sure I’m very good at shared leadership. So let’s talk about those two. And those are two of the chapters in the book. So we’ll focus in on positive leadership. What does that really mean?

and then we’ll focus in on shared leadership. What does that really mean and how can you apply that? So, you you don’t have to do all nine, but recognizing that in order to really increase the level of commitment, engagement, minimize the burnout of your team, it helps to really have an awareness of these different domains and how they could be put to use with your real life situation.

Eddie Turner:
Thank you. And in addition to what you talked about in the book and also in our conversation about engagement, you shared a staggering number with me that I want to highlight. Everything that you said, then you put a price tag on it. You said it’s costing $360 billion. And when we just think about how organizations are doing layoffs or taking other maneuvers to shore up the bottom line, if we did something about leadership, that

Jeffrey Hull:
you

Eddie Turner:
in and of itself would go a long way to showing off the bottom line because it would solve all the things that you just mentioned.

Jeffrey Hull:
Yeah, and I think it’s also safe to say that the emergence of artificial intelligence is going to create additional complexity for leaders to make decisions about how to elevate the human element that is really crucial for their success and to think about what could be replaced with artificial intelligence tools and

You know, those human beings that are still working in the real world, even with AI, they need to be led in a way that they are inspired, they’re connected, they’re engaged. And so even as we become more technological in our organizations, we are still going to have to create environments where human beings are creative and innovative. you know, your leaders are the ones that create that atmosphere.

If you want to get innovation, you’re going to need to be a good leader. If you want to have creativity, if you want to have transformation, if you want to be on the leading edge, your people are going to look to you as a leader to create that environment. So knowing these themes is going to be really important.

Eddie Turner:
Indeed.

Eddie Turner:
Indeed. Now, you, as I mentioned earlier, aren’t just an academic. You are that person who is a professor at the prestigious Harvard University. And I forgot when you mentioned in Berlin and other places, New York University. But you also came out of the business world. So you saw what this looked like. You worked at places like Goldman Sachs and other prestigious firms. Can you tell us how

Jeffrey Hull:
Right.

Eddie Turner:
your unique lens of actually been in top corporations and now in top academia, how that really comes through to help leaders to understand the steps they need to take.

Jeffrey Hull:
Well, for me, my early corporate career was with Booz Allen & Hamilton, one of the big consulting firms. And when I was with them as a director of HR, I was very aware in early days of coaching these executives, whether it was the partners at Booz Allen or some of the senior executives at our clients, we worked at Citibank, we worked at Goldman, that, you know, they…

were brilliant. In many cases, they’re really, really smart, really, really successful, highly educated, but they struggled too with how to motivate people. They struggled with feedback because it’s sometimes painful to take feedback. you think of yourself as being a straight A student or going to Harvard Business School. And then all of a sudden you get a coach one day like Dr. Jeffrey Hull who says, well, maybe you’re not as good at this.

as you thought. It’s like humbling, right? And ironically, humility in our book is a part a big part of the chapter on servant leadership. And things like humility are actually really key to success. So, you know, what I learned early on in my corporate career was to be humble myself to not get too full of myself as a leader or as a coach.

Eddie Turner:
And then we’re crushed.

Jeffrey Hull:
but also to help my clients recognize that when they had some humility, they had some willingness to be transparent about their strengths and their opportunities, their growth opportunities. People are drawn to that, it’s magnetic. And all of a sudden, instead of being cocky or having all the answers, the people they’re leading are like, wow, I love you, you’re so human.

Eddie Turner:
Yeah, yes.

Jeffrey Hull:
You’re so real. And that is a stepping stone into one of the chapters in the book, which is on servant leadership, being a servant of your people, stepping from behind, leading, as they say, from behind. It’s actually one of the most sophisticated of all the leadership capacity.

Eddie Turner:
So Jeff, that’s a far cry from what we learned in the 60s and 70s where you were told you had to be hard, tough, you know, completely different breed. They would call that something very different today. So, yes. Yes.

Jeffrey Hull:
Hahaha!

Jeffrey Hull:
But there’s a place for that too. So that’s the interesting thing. I don’t believe in throwing baby out with the bathwater. So if you have an emergency or you have an urgent situation or you have a pandemic, for example, you do need to be a strong, authoritative leader and there is a role for that. But that is, you’re making the point, Eddie, which is really crucial, which is if you…

If you are just one type, you will not be successful in today’s world. You need a variety, you need agility, you need to be able to choose based on the context.

Eddie Turner:
Absolutely.

Eddie Turner:
Yeah, one of my favorite analogies comes from Daniel Goldman’s work, landmark article in Harvard Business Review, where he likened leadership to a club, set of golf clubs that depending on where you are, you’re going to pull up the right club for that part of the course. You’re just swinging the driver everywhere, being authoritative. That’s not going to work so well.

But to your point, little humility, a little putter, a little gentle. That’s what we need most of the time, right? When you get stuck in the sand trap, you got to block that sand wedge, right? So it’s having the appropriate range as a leader to know which one you should use when.

Jeffrey Hull:
I love that.

Jeffrey Hull:
Right, right, yeah.

Jeffrey Hull:
Right, absolutely.

Eddie Turner:
Fascinating. Well, I can’t let you get out of here. You are the executive director of the Institute of Coaching, a prestigious organization that many coaches look to for the latest and greatest insights to guide us in the work that we’re doing. Please just give us one morsel that you can share with us that we need to know about as we’re facing the end of the year.

Jeffrey Hull:
I mean, my favorite theme coming out of the book, the latest book with Margaret, is to think about sharing your leadership. So this is a sophisticated concept, but I like to lead this with people, which is transfer the I to we when you’re leading. Elevate everyone around you to be a leader with you.

We need to have more leaders in the organizations we work with. So rather than just the pinnacle leader at the top, think about if you’re a boss, ask yourself, am I leading alone or am I leading with others? And if I need to lead with others, how do I do that? How do I shift from?

I to we, elevating, empowering, growing. At the end of the day, we want to create as many leaders as possible because we need those talent. We need that talent in today’s world.

Eddie Turner:
Absolutely beautiful. We appreciate that. Well, I’ve been talking to Dr. Jeffrey Hull, bestselling author of Flex and his new book, The Science of Leadership. He’s a part of the Harvard faculty that Stakers 50 named him one of the top 50 coaches in the world. And he is a member of Marshall Goldsmith’s esteemed 100 coaches. I neglected to mention that.

Jeffrey Hull:
I think that’s how I met you. we did that’s right.

Eddie Turner:
Yes, yes. Well, I think you and I knew each other before that. I met you at the Institute of Coaching’s conference in 2015 or 2016. We became Marshall Goldstein colleagues five years later. Yes. And then of course, we mentioned that you are the executive director of the prestigious Institute of Coaching and the CEO of Leadership. What’s the most important concept you want to

Jeffrey Hull:
Right?

Jeffrey Hull:
That’s right, that’s right.

Eddie Turner:
keeping a walk away from our conversation with today.

Jeffrey Hull:
Leadership is a journey of learning and growth like everything else in life. And there’s a lot of good science. It’s an art to be a good leader, but there is science, there is research, there is demonstrated evidence. And Margaret and I are trying to make that available.

Eddie Turner:
Fantastic. Is there a quote that you use or a short story that you use that helps you keep leading?

Jeffrey Hull:
My favorite mantra is the time to be present is when there’s no time to be present.

Eddie Turner:
I like that. I like that.

Jeffrey Hull:
I use that with my clients every day. The time to be focused is when there’s no time to be focused. Variations. But basically, if you feel rushed, that’s the time to take a deep breath, calm down, and refocus. Get present.

Eddie Turner:
That’s so true.

Eddie Turner:
Well, thank you for sharing that. And where could people learn more about you?

Jeffrey Hull:
Easily on LinkedIn, just put my name, Jeffrey Hull, or institutivecoaching.org, or thescienceofleadership.com, or jeffreyhull.com. So, a bunch of places.

Eddie Turner:
Fantastic. We’ll be sure to put that in the show notes. Thank you again for your time, for your wisdom and knowledge that you’re sharing into the world. I appreciate you. And I know that the millions of cultures around the world and leaders appreciate all the great work that you’re doing.

Jeffrey Hull:
Okay.

Jeffrey Hull:
Thank you, Eddie. It’s great to think back and realize that we’ve been friends for many years. I wish you all the best with your podcast, with your writing, with your coaching, and it’s been great fun.

Eddie Turner:
Thank you. And thank you for listening. That concludes this episode, ladies and gentlemen. I’m Eddie Turner reminding you that leadership is not about our position or our title. Leadership is an activity. Leadership is action. It’s not the case of once a leader, always a leader. It’s not a garment that we put on or take off. We must be a leader at our core and allow it to emanate in all we do. So whatever you’re doing, always keep leading.

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I enjoyed discussing leadership development in the land of Zambia and the continent of Africa with one of the Top 30 coaches in the world—Nankhonde Kasonde-van den Broek! Listen to this episode to understand how she helps develop leaders locally to impact globally.

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Nankhonde Kasonde-van den Broek is a development activist and serial entrepreneur. She is the Founder and Lead Consultant at Nankhonde Kasonde Consultancy, Founder and Creative Director at KHONDE (www.khondezambia.com), Founder and CEO at ZANGA African Metrics (www.zangametrics.com). After a decade of working in international development and international finance globally with the United Nations and the Global Fund to fight AIDS, Tuberculosis, and Malaria, she returned to Zambia to pursue her purpose and desire to contribute to her country’s economy the broader African development agenda.

Nankhonde is an internationally certified Executive Coach &; Organizational change architect. She has over 20 years of experience in multinationals, international organizations, and Governments. She is an accomplished professional with a wealth of African, international and multi-cultural knowledge in designing and leading large-scale change across multiple sectors.

Nankhonde has lived and worked in New York, Geneva, Dakar, and Lilongwe. She has traveled extensively and supported programs across Africa and South East Asia. Nankhonde is a member of the Africa List, a group of future African Leaders in emerging markets (cohort 2020). Nankhonde is a Marshall Goldsmith 50 Global Leading Coach and a member of the MG100. She is a Board Member at the Lusaka Apex Medical University in Lusaka, Zambia, and a Board Member at Sanlam Life Insurance Zambia Ltd (Part of the Sanlam Group, South Africa). Nankhonde is a graduate of the renowned HEC Paris Business School (France) &; Oxford University (U.K.) joint Executive Specialized Masters Degree in Consulting &; Coaching for Change. In addition, she holds an MBA specializing in Project Management from the African Institute of Management (Dakar, Senegal), an MSc in Management from the University of Quebec at Chicoutimi (Quebec, Canada), and a B.A. in Management from Webster University (Geneva, Switzerland). She is fluent in French and is married with two children.

Website
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LinkedIn
https://www.linkedin.com/in/nankhondevandenbroek/

Leadership Quote
“It takes extraordinary effort to stop doing something in our comfort zone (because it’s
painless or familiar or mildly pleasurable) to start something difficult that will be
good for us in the long run.” Marshall Goldsmith

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The key to sustainable leadership lies in the ability to thrive during uncertainty, ambiguity, and change. Grand Heron International brings you the Coaching Assistance Program, giving your employees on-demand coaching to manage through a challenging situation and arrive at a solution. Visit GrandHeronInternational.Ca/Podcast to learn more.

This podcast is part of the C Suite Radio Network, turning the volume up on business.

Welcome to the Keep Leading!® Podcast, the podcast dedicated to promoting leadership development and sharing leadership insights. Here’s your host, The Leadership Excelerator®, Eddie Turner.

This podcast is sponsored by Eddie Turner LLC. Organizations who need to accelerate the development of their leaders call Eddie Turner, The Leadership Excelerator®. Eddie works with leaders to accelerate performance and drive impact. Call Eddie Turner to help your leaders one on one as their coach or to inspire them as a group through the power of facilitation or a keynote address. Visit EddieTurnerLLC.com to learn more.

This is John Perry, organization and leadership development consultant and strategic coach, and you are listening to the Keep Leading!® Podcast with Eddie Turner.

Thank you for listening to your host Eddie Turner on the Keep Leading!® Podcast. Please remember to subscribe to the Keep Leading!® Podcast on iTunes or wherever you listen. For more information about Eddie Turner’s work, please visit EddieTurnerLLC.com.

Thank you for listening to C Suite Radio, turning the volume up on business.

The Keep Leading!® podcast is for people passionate about leadership. It is dedicated to leadership development and insights. Join your host Eddie Turner, The Leadership Excelerator® as he speaks with accomplished leaders and people of influence across the globe as they share their journey to leadership excellence. Listen as they share leadership strategies, techniques and insights. For more information visit eddieturnerllc.com or follow Eddie Turner on Twitter and Instagram at @eddieturnerjr. Like Eddie Turner LLC on Facebook. Connect with Eddie Turner on LinkedIn.

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Uber ushered in the “gig economy.” The “gig economy is fueled by freelancers working when they want on what they want. In this episode, I interview Alex Fasulo, who made over $1 Million as a freelancer on Fiverr.com. She explains how to lead as a freelancer!

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Alex Fasulo is a full-time freelance writer, author, speaker, copywriting business owner, and best known for becoming a Fiverr.com millionaire in September 2020. She is also the Freelance Fairytales Podcast host, which covers all gig economy news, freelancing trials, and tribulations, and breaking out of 9-to-5 jobs to find financial independence. Alex is passionate about sharing her message with the world and posts content often to TikTok, Instagram, Pinterest, her closed Facebook group ‘Freelancing Mentorship with Alexandra Fasulo,’ and her website.

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https://alexfasulo.com/

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Leadership Quote
“Nothing in the world is worth having or worth doing unless it means effort, pain, difficulty… I have never in my life envied a human being who led an easy life. I have envied a great many people who led difficult lives and led them well.” – Theodore Roosevelt

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The key to sustainable leadership lies in the ability to thrive during uncertainty, ambiguity, and change. Grand Heron International brings you the Coaching Assistance Program, giving your employees on-demand coaching to manage through a challenging situation and arrive at a solution. Visit GrandHeronInternational.Ca/Podcast to learn more.

This podcast is part of the C Suite Radio Network, turning the volume up on business.

Welcome to the Keep Leading!® Podcast, the podcast dedicated to promoting leadership development and sharing leadership insights. Here’s your host, The Leadership Excelerator®, Eddie Turner.

This podcast is sponsored by Eddie Turner LLC. Organizations who need to accelerate the development of their leaders call Eddie Turner, The Leadership Excelerator®. Eddie works with leaders to accelerate performance and drive impact. Call Eddie Turner to help your leaders one on one as their coach or to inspire them as a group through the power of facilitation or a keynote address. Visit EddieTurnerLLC.com to learn more.

This is Phil M. Jones, author of Exactly What to Say, Exactly How to Sell, and Exactly Where to Stop and you are listening to the Keep Leading!® Podcast with Eddie Turner.

Thank you for listening to your host Eddie Turner on the Keep Leading!® Podcast. Please remember to subscribe to the Keep Leading!® Podcast on iTunes or wherever you listen. For more information about Eddie Turner’s work, please visit EddieTurnerLLC.com.

Thank you for listening to C Suite Radio, turning the volume up on business.

The Keep Leading!® podcast is for people passionate about leadership. It is dedicated to leadership development and insights. Join your host Eddie Turner, The Leadership Excelerator® as he speaks with accomplished leaders and people of influence across the globe as they share their journey to leadership excellence. Listen as they share leadership strategies, techniques and insights. For more information visit eddieturnerllc.com or follow Eddie Turner on Twitter and Instagram at @eddieturnerjr. Like Eddie Turner LLC on Facebook. Connect with Eddie Turner on LinkedIn.

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How do you get the best leaders in an organization? Sometimes they are developed internally. At other times you have to look outside. When you look outside your organization, how can you know what to look for so you’re not just throwing a dart? How can you attract, acquire, and retain great leaders? Bill Humbert, The Recruiter Guy, explains the secrets of the recruiting world in this episode.

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Bio
Nationally known as an engaging speaker, expert talent attraction consultant, and career transition professional with two published books (third book soon to be available via pre-sales), Bill is looking forward to meeting you!

He has talent attraction experience since 1981, contributing to the success of companies by attracting top talent – and training clients to attract top talent after his engagement is complete. Bill’s talent attraction consultant business is unique within the United States. Bill works with one company and charges a flat monthly fee for recruitment and top talent consulting. Therefore, his clients span many different industries and locations.

He is a national member of the National Speakers Association who motivates his audience to learn methods to improve their productivity while enjoying their job. Talent acquisition is more complex than top talent attraction. The outcome of his speech, Make Your Company ROAR (Recruit, Onboard, Actuate, and Retain), is higher success attracting top talent and retaining them as part of an engaged workforce. His speeches are conversations with his audience. He loves to meet members of the audience before a speech to learn their views of a topic and address areas of concern during his public conversation. All speeches are customized, so clients receive the best outcome from their engagement with RecruiterGuy.

He is a national television guest with over 102 television interviews, including on CNN Headline News, third party eBook author, podcast guest, and national radio guest. He creates new content upon request from his clients. He is passionate about his topics, including proper goal setting, where he discusses how he set a goal to hitchhike from Washington, DC to Los Angeles, CA in 5 days – and was successful in both 1969 and 1970. Then translate proper goal setting to increase employee engagement. Remember, a goal-setting and achieving employee is, by definition, an engaged employee. Raise your company’s productivity with engaged employees!

Website
https://recruiterguy.com/

LinkedIn
https://www.linkedin.com/in/recruiterguy/

Twitter
https://twitter.com/RecruiterGuy81

Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/RecruiterGuys.Guide

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The key to sustainable leadership lies in the ability to thrive during uncertainty, ambiguity, and change. Grand Heron International brings you the Coaching Assistance Program, giving your employees on-demand coaching to manage through a challenging situation and arrive at a solution. Visit GrandHeronInternational.Ca/Podcast to learn more.

This podcast is part of the C Suite Radio Network, turning the volume up on business.

Welcome to the Keep Leading!® Podcast, the podcast dedicated to promoting leadership development and sharing leadership insights. Here’s your host, The Leadership Excelerator®, Eddie Turner.

This podcast is sponsored by Eddie Turner LLC. Organizations who need to accelerate the development of their leaders call Eddie Turner, The Leadership Excelerator®. Eddie works with leaders to accelerate performance and drive impact. Call Eddie Turner to help your leaders one on one as their coach or to inspire them as a group through the power of facilitation or a keynote address. Visit EddieTurnerLLC.com to learn more.

This is Patricia Fripp, the Presentation Skills Expert, and you are listening to the Keep Leading!® Podcast with my friend, Eddie Turner.

Thank you for listening to your host Eddie Turner on the Keep Leading!® Podcast. Please remember to subscribe to the Keep Leading!® Podcast on iTunes or wherever you listen. For more information about Eddie Turner’s work, please visit EddieTurnerLLC.com.

Thank you for listening to C Suite Radio, turning the volume up on business.

The Keep Leading!® podcast is for people passionate about leadership. It is dedicated to leadership development and insights. Join your host Eddie Turner, The Leadership Excelerator® as he speaks with accomplished leaders and people of influence across the globe as they share their journey to leadership excellence. Listen as they share leadership strategies, techniques and insights. For more information visit eddieturnerllc.com or follow Eddie Turner on Twitter and Instagram at @eddieturnerjr. Like Eddie Turner LLC on Facebook. Connect with Eddie Turner on LinkedIn.

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Episode Summary
Conflict is part of our lives. As leaders, it can derail our success at work and Home. In this episode, Dr. Jen Goldman-Wetzler explains how to deal with conflict more effectively and achieve conflict resolution or conflict freedom.

Detailed Episode Summary
https://c-suitenetwork.com/advisors/handling-conflict-as-a-leader/

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Bio
Dr. Jennifer Goldman-Wetzler is the founder and CEO of Alignment Strategies Group, the New York consulting firm that helps CEOs and their executive teams optimize organizational health and growth.

In the corporate arena, Jennifer advises innovative technology, healthcare, financial, and professional services companies. She has served clients including CSC, IBM, Intel, athenahealth, Novartis, Oscar Health Insurance, Roche, Barclays, GE Capital, Moody’s, Cornerstone Research, Lexis Nexis, Navigant, and KPMG.

In the public sector, she enables teams to optimize organizational impact at Jazz at Lincoln Center, the New York City Economic Development Corporation, The New School, and Oxfam America.

She is the author of OPTIMAL OUTCOMES: Free Yourself from Conflict at Work, at Home, and in Life (HarperBusiness, 2020), selected as a Financial Times Book of the Month.

She is a keynote speaker at Fortune 500 companies, public institutions, and leading startups, including Google, Harvard Law School, and the United Nations. A former counterterrorism fellow with the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, she earned her Ph.D. in Social-Organizational Psychology from Columbia University and has taught conflict freedom at Columbia for a decade.

Website
https://jengoldmanwetzler.com/

Other Website
http://alignmentstrategiesgroup.com/

LinkedIn
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jen-goldman-wetzler/

Twitter
https://twitter.com/JGoldmanWetzler

Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/jgoldmanwetzler

Instagram
https://www.instagram.com/jgoldmanwetzler/

Optimal Outcomes Assessments
https://jengoldmanwetzler.com/optimal-outcomes-assessments/

Leadership Quote
“Prevention is the best medicine.” – Dr. Morton Deutsch, widely considered the father of conflict resolution and one of my mentors

Get Your Copy of Jennifer’s Book!
https://jengoldmanwetzler.com/the-book/

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The key to sustainable leadership lies in the ability to thrive during uncertainty, ambiguity, and change. Grand Heron International brings you the Coaching Assistance Program, giving your employees on-demand coaching to manage through a challenging situation and arrive at a solution. Visit GrandHeronInternational.Ca/Podcast to learn more.

This podcast is part of the C Suite Radio Network, turning the volume up on business.

Welcome to the Keep Leading!® Podcast, the podcast dedicated to promoting leadership development and sharing leadership insights. Here’s your host, The Leadership Excelerator®, Eddie Turner.

This podcast is sponsored by Eddie Turner LLC. Organizations who need to accelerate the development of their leaders call Eddie Turner, The Leadership Excelerator®. Eddie works with leaders to accelerate performance and drive impact. Call Eddie Turner to help your leaders one on one as their coach or to inspire them as a group through the power of facilitation or a keynote address. Visit EddieTurnerLLC.com to learn more.

This is Chester Elton, the Apostle of Appreciation, and you are listening to the Keep Leading!® Podcast with the one, the only Eddie Turner.

Thank you for listening to your host Eddie Turner on the Keep Leading!® Podcast. Please remember to subscribe to the Keep Leading!® Podcast on iTunes or wherever you listen. For more information about Eddie Turner’s work, please visit EddieTurnerLLC.com.

Thank you for listening to C Suite Radio, turning the volume up on business.

The Keep Leading!® podcast is for people passionate about leadership. It is dedicated to leadership development and insights. Join your host Eddie Turner, The Leadership Excelerator® as he speaks with accomplished leaders and people of influence across the globe as they share their journey to leadership excellence. Listen as they share leadership strategies, techniques and insights. For more information visit eddieturnerllc.com or follow Eddie Turner on Twitter and Instagram at @eddieturnerjr. Like Eddie Turner LLC on Facebook. Connect with Eddie Turner on LinkedIn.

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Episode Summary
Dr. Eileen Dowse is the Chair of the International Institute for Facilitation (INIFAC). She explains the importance of the newly created Certified Virtual Facilitator™ credential and how to achieve it.

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Bio
Eileen Dowse Ph.D. is an insightful, global leader specializing in creating ‘collective impact’ for her clients. She is blazing new trails in the practice of Agile Leadership- which emphasizes quality, speed, and collaboration. As an Organizational Psychologist, she is one of the thought-leaders helping organizations focus on being responsive, adaptive, and effective in an era filled with confusion, contradictions, and corruption. She has extensive practical experience in the field of global leadership and cultural competency development.

Eileen is an award-winning author of “The Naked Manager, How to build open relationships at work.” She has also written “The Agile Business Leader, The Four Roles of Successful Leaders,” which has been translated into Chinese. She is widely regarded as one of the leaders in international facilitation and a co-founder and Chair of the International Institute for Facilitation.

Clients seek Eileen for her services in executive coaching, educational programs, and facilitating sessions to produce innovative results. She has mastered the art of identifying the root of organizational issues and implemented strategies that allow leaders, teams, and entire organizations to become more effective.

INIFAC
INIFAC advances mastery in facilitation that helps individuals, groups, and organizations around the world achieve collaborative results.

The International Institute for Facilitation (INIFAC) was created in 2003 when five facilitators came together to develop a certification program at the master’s level.

The Certified Virtual Facilitator Credential
The INIFAC Certified Virtual Facilitator™ credential focuses on the facilitator’s experience in using virtual platforms while facilitating meetings. This credential is for anyone who leads virtual meetings and wants to distinguish themselves as someone who has completed a quantifiable performance review by a trained virtual facilitation assessor. This certification confirms you know how to conduct and participate in virtual meetings effectively.

Eileen’s Website
https://human-dynamics.com/

INIFAC’s Website
https://www.inifac.org/the-inifac-certified-virtual-facilitator/

Eileen on LinkedIn
https://www.linkedin.com/in/eileen-dowse-ph-d-cmf-mcec-b3a449/

INIFAC on LinkedIn
https://www.linkedin.com/company/international-institute-for-facilitation/

Twitter
https://twitter.com/eileendowse

INIFAC Twitter
https://twitter.com/INIFAC

Check out Eileen’s First Interview on the Keep Leading!® podcast
https://eddieturnerllc.com/keep-leading-podcast/kl028-the-agile-and-facilitative-leader/

Leadership Quote
“Today’s mighty oak is just yesterday’s little nut that held its ground.”

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The key to sustainable leadership lies in the ability to thrive during uncertainty, ambiguity, and change. Grand Heron International brings you the Coaching Assistance Program, giving your employees on-demand coaching to manage through a challenging situation and arrive at a solution. Visit GrandHeronInternational.Ca/Podcast to learn more.

This podcast is part of the C Suite Radio Network, turning the volume up on business.

Welcome to the Keep Leading!® Podcast, the podcast dedicated to promoting leadership development and sharing leadership insights. Here’s your host, The Leadership Excelerator®, Eddie Turner.

This podcast is sponsored by Eddie Turner LLC. Organizations who need to accelerate the development of their leaders call Eddie Turner, The Leadership Excelerator®. Eddie works with leaders to accelerate performance and drive impact. Call Eddie Turner to help your leaders one on one as their coach or to inspire them as a group through the power of facilitation or a keynote address. Visit EddieTurnerLLC.com to learn more.

Hi. This is Dr. Steven Stein, psychologist and Founder of MHS Assessments and you’re listening to the Keep Leading!® Podcast with Eddie Turner.

Thank you for listening to your host Eddie Turner on the Keep Leading!® Podcast. Please remember to subscribe to the Keep Leading!® Podcast on iTunes or wherever you listen. For more information about Eddie Turner’s work, please visit EddieTurnerLLC.com.

Thank you for listening to C Suite Radio, turning the volume up on business.

The Keep Leading!® podcast is for people passionate about leadership. It is dedicated to leadership development and insights. Join your host Eddie Turner, The Leadership Excelerator® as he speaks with accomplished leaders and people of influence across the globe as they share their journey to leadership excellence. Listen as they share leadership strategies, techniques and insights. For more information visit eddieturnerllc.com or follow Eddie Turner on Twitter and Instagram at @eddieturnerjr. Like Eddie Turner LLC on Facebook. Connect with Eddie Turner on LinkedIn.

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Episode Summary
Jeffrey Hull, Ph.D. BCC is a Clinical Instructor in Psychology at Harvard Medical School and adjunct Professor of Leadership at New York University. Dr. Hull is an accomplished writer and researcher who has published articles in Harvard Business Review, The New York Times, Coaching World and other leading business publications. He is also the Director of Education and Business Development at the Institute of Coaching, a Harvard Medical School Affiliate. We discussed his bestselling book: “FLEX: The Art and Science of Leadership in A Changing World.”

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Bio
Jeffrey Hull, Ph.D. BCC is CEO of Leadershift, Inc. a leadership development consultancy based in New York City and author of the best-selling book, FLEX: The Art and Science of Leadership in A Changing World, published in June 2019 by Penguin-Random House. A highly sought-after speaker, consultant and executive coach, Dr. Hull is a Clinical Instructor in Psychology at Harvard Medical School and adjunct Professor of Leadership at New York University. He is also the Director of Education and Business Development at the Institute of Coaching, a Harvard Medical School Affiliate. An accomplished writer/researcher, Dr. Hull has published articles in Harvard Business Review, The New York Times, Coaching World and other leading business publications. He can be reached at www.jeffreyhull.com

Website
https://www.jeffreyhull.com/

Other Website
https://instituteofcoaching.org/

LinkedIn
https://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffrey-hull-ph-d-bcc-062b09/

Twitter
https://twitter.com/Dr_Jeffrey_Hull

Facebook
https://www.facebook.com/jeffreyhullphd/

Leadership Quote
“Be a student even when you become a teacher.”

Get Your Copy of Jeff’s Book!
https://www.jeffreyhull.com/flex

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Transcript

If you’re a small business owner looking to grow or expand your business, check out OnDeck Business Loans. OnDeck offers business loans online from 5000 dollars to 500,000 dollars and their simple application process only takes 10 minutes. Unlike banks they’ll give you a decision quickly and funding in as fast as one day. Get a free consultation with an OnDeck loan adviser. Visit OnDeck.com/Podcast.

The key to sustainable leadership lies in the ability to thrive during uncertainty, ambiguity, and change. Grand Heron International brings you the Coaching Assistance Program, giving your employees on-demand coaching to manage through a challenging situation and arrive at a solution. Visit GrandHeronInternational.Ca/Podcast to learn more.

This podcast is part of the C Suite Radio Network, turning the volume up on business.

Welcome to the Keep Leading!® Podcast, the podcast dedicated to promoting leadership development and sharing leadership insights. Here’s your host, The Leadership Excelerator®, Eddie Turner.

This podcast is sponsored by Eddie Turner LLC. Organizations who need to accelerate the development of their leaders call Eddie Turner, The Leadership Excelerator®. Eddie works with leaders to accelerate performance and drive impact. Call Eddie Turner to help your leaders one on one as their coach or to inspire them as a group through the power of facilitation or a keynote address. Visit EddieTurnerLLC.com to learn more.

This is Karen Jacobsen, the GPS Girl, and you have reached your destination because you’re listening to the Keep Leading!® Podcast with Eddie Turner.

Thank you for listening to your host Eddie Turner on the Keep Leading!® Podcast. Please remember to subscribe to the Keep Leading!® Podcast on iTunes or wherever you listen. For more information about Eddie Turner’s work please visit EddieTurnerLLC.com.

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The Keep Leading!® podcast is for people passionate about leadership. It is dedicated to leadership development and insights. Join your host Eddie Turner, The Leadership Excelerator® as he speaks with accomplished leaders and people of influence across the globe as they share their journey to leadership excellence. Listen as they share leadership strategies, techniques and insights. For more information visit eddieturnerllc.com or follow Eddie Turner on Twitter and Instagram at @eddieturnerjr. Like Eddie Turner LLC on Facebook. Connect with Eddie Turner on LinkedIn.

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Episode Summary
Dr. Eileen Dowse is the Chair of the International Institute for Facilitation (INIFAC). This global leader explains how she specializes in helping to create ‘collective impact’ for her clients in this episode entitled: “The Agile and Facilitative Leader”

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Bio
Eileen Dowse Ph.D. is an insightful, global leader specializing in helping to create ‘collective impact’ for her clients. She is blazing new trails in the practice of Agile Leadership- which places emphasis on quality, speed and collaboration. As an Organizational Psychologist, she is one of the thought-leaders helping organizations focus on being responsive, adaptive and effective in an era filled with confusion, contradictions, and corruption. She has extensive practical experience in the field of global leadership and cultural competency development.

Eileen is an award-winning author of “The Naked Manager, How to build open relationships at work”. She has also written “The Agile Business Leader, The Four Roles of Successful Leaders” which has been translated into Chinese. She is widely regarded as one of the leaders in international facilitation as well as being a co-founder and Chair of the International Institute for Facilitation.

Clients seek out Eileen for her services in executive coaching, educational programs and facilitating sessions to produce innovative results. She has mastered the art of identifying the root of organizational issues and implemented strategies which allowing leaders, teams, and entire organizations to become more effective.

Website
https://human-dynamics.com/

LinkedIn
https://www.linkedin.com/in/eileen-dowse-ph-d-cmf-mcec-b3a449/

Twitter
https://twitter.com/eileendowse

Leadership Quote
“Today’s mighty oak is just yesterday’s little nut that held its ground.”

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Transcript

If you’re a small business owner looking to grow or expand your business, check out OnDeck Business Loans. OnDeck offers business loans online from 5000 dollars to 500,000 dollars and their simple application process only takes 10 minutes. Unlike banks they’ll give you a decision quickly and funding in as fast as one day. Get a free consultation with an OnDeck loan adviser. Visit OnDeck.com/Podcast.

This podcast is part of the C Suite Radio Network, turning the volume up on business.

This podcast is sponsored by Grand Heron International. Through a growing network of credentialed and vetted coaches, Grand Heron International brings you on-demand coaching with coaching on site and the Coaching Assistance Program for corporations. Whether you are a company committed to investing in your leaders, an individual navigating a complex situation or a coach searching for a superb network of coaches, visit us at GrandHeronInternational.com.

Welcome to the Keep Leading Podcast, a podcast dedicated to promoting leadership development and sharing leadership insights. Here’s your host, the Leadership Excelerator, Eddie Turner.

This podcast is sponsored by Eddie Turner LLC. Eddie Turner LLC delivers executive and leadership coaching, professional speaking, facilitation services, and management consulting across the globe. Eddie Turner LLC also creates voiceovers, serves as a master of ceremonies, as a panel and event moderator, and provides national media commentary. Visit EddieTurnerLLC.com to learn more.

This podcast is sponsored by Eddie Turner LLC. Organizations who need to accelerate the development of their leaders call Eddie Turner, the Leadership Excelerator. Eddie works with leaders to accelerate performance and drive impact. Call Eddie Turner to help your leaders one on one as their coach or to inspire them as a group through the power of facilitation or a keynote address. Visit EddieTurnerLLC.com to learn more.

Hello, this is Charles Fred. I’m the CEO and Founder of True Space and you’re listening to the Keep Leading Podcast with Eddie Turner.

Thank you for listening to your host Eddie Turner on The Keep Leading Podcast. Please remember to subscribe to The Keep Leading Podcast on iTunes or wherever you listen. For more information about Eddie Turner’s work please visit EddieTurnerLLC.com.

Thank you for listening to C Suite Radio, turning the volume up on business.

The Keep Leading!™ podcast is for people passionate about leadership. It is dedicated to leadership development and insights. Join your host Eddie Turner, The Leadership Excelerator® as he speaks with accomplished leaders and people of influence across the globe as they share their journey to leadership excellence. Listen as they share leadership strategies, techniques and insights. For more information visit eddieturnerllc.com or follow Eddie Turner on Twitter and Instagram at @eddieturnerjr. Like Eddie Turner LLC on Facebook. Connect with Eddie Turner on LinkedIn.

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